(June 28, 2018 at 2:33 pm)SteveII Wrote:(June 28, 2018 at 12:22 pm)possibletarian Wrote: I don't think anyone is claiming that you are claiming they are natural, rather that the 'supernatural' claims cannot be substantiated by any experience people can be proven to have, if one merely has to make the claim followed by eye witness accounts then why not believe the claims of the Indian guru's who are alive today and have many like miracles said about them.
While you can claim they are supernatural in origin they are definitely able to be empirically observed if true.
We are talking about a specific set of miracles chronicled in the NT. They can be substantiated by people who saw them. These people later wrote things down, told other people and had them write them down. There is no proof. Only whether you believe the evidence and have additional reasons to think the evidence is true. Christian belief does not happen because you read about a miracle and believed it to be true. It is a process I outlined in my very first post in this thread.
Bringing up people who purportedly perform miracles today is a red herring. I have no knowledge of or access to these claims.
That you accept hearsay claims from decades after the purported events as evidence of said events says more to your credulity than anything else.
Hearsay is not evidence Steve-o. No matter how much you deperately want it to be.
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