RE: Hello.....I have a little problem
September 12, 2011 at 7:53 pm
(This post was last modified: September 12, 2011 at 8:13 pm by IATIA.)
(September 8, 2011 at 1:15 pm)Tim the plumber Wrote: Hi,
I have not posted here due to the problem of preaching to the converted. However since the Islamic Forum and the Christian Forum have banned me I wonder if you have any suggestions as to how to take the message to the enemies of reason?
When I say banned from the Christian Forum it's actually that the site will not allow me on... they have not had the guts to actually tell me if I am banned but I think I have got the idea.
I have yet to convert even an agnostic. I just argue with theists in atheist forums. I will usually talk to the 'door to door' salesmen with their babble-book in hand and bring up things like, "Did you know Adam was god's slave, that his only purpose was to tend god's garden?". There is always the, "Show me in your book where Satan did anything wrong except to piss off god!". Of course Job comes up, "And! So, god and Satan made a bet and under god's authority ... Got anything else?"
Only problem with that is, they do not come around much any more.
In my day to day life, I let everyone know I am an atheist then by example, I show them I have as good or better morals than others.
I do not think anyone can convert a 'true believer' because we can never remove that underlying fear of "what if god does exist, I don't want to go to hell!".
(September 12, 2011 at 7:40 pm)Shell B Wrote: Not using something is not the same as using something.
Exactly my point.
Quote:Fairies do not influence my decisions. Does that mean that my non-belief in fairies is me using "not fairy" in making my everyday decisions
Some of your decisions would be different if you believed in fairies.
Quote:That's really stretching it. Just because a belief in something influences other people does not mean a lack of belief in the same thing is influential. Therein lies the problem. People are so influenced by their deities that they presume that lack of belief in such a deity is influential as well. Atheism is one small thing. Besides, if no one believed in god, would you say the same thing? No, because there would be no need for one insignificant thing to have a label if so many people weren't nut bag crazy about religion.
Your lack of belief in a god means that a god is not influencing your decisions. And on the same token, your overall persona, not being influenced by a belief in a god, is different than if you held a theistic point of view. Ergo, your atheism does in fact influence your decisions, albeit subconsciously or unconsciously. How can it not?
Quote:No, it isn't. No, it doesn't. Thank you for telling me what atheism does for me, though. You sure you aren't a bible thumper?
I am one of those rare professed 100% nihilistic atheists, but I probably know more about the babble-book than most bible thumpers.
Hmmm ... Does that make me a bible thumper?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
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-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
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-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
