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RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus

July 3, 2018 at 6:28 pm

(July 3, 2018 at 1:27 pm)JairCrawford Wrote: Since the topic came up in great detail in the Why believe the Bible? thread, I thought why not make a thread to cover this topic.

What are your opinions on Josephus' writings? Is the TF partially authentic or entirely fabricated?

What about the more elusive James reference?

And while we're at it why not go ahead and discuss others as well? Pliny, Justin, Clement, the Apostle Paul, etc.

I'm curious to hear views from both atheists and theists here on these writings as well. Let's compare and contrast our views and interpretations.

Did you miss this:

(July 2, 2018 at 9:43 pm)JairCrawford Wrote: ... I'm genuinely asking as I need to do more reading on the argument from silence regarding the Testimonium.

Succubus
The Josephus Testimonium: Let’s Just Admit It’s Fake Already

From the same thread.

It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.

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