(July 4, 2018 at 7:49 pm)Kit Wrote:(July 4, 2018 at 7:41 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You should do some research! Josephus for instance does mention Jesus as per the OP
The Jesus Forgery
Let's just admit it's fake already
Quote:Of the three passages found in Josephus' Antiquities, this passage, if authentic, would offer the most direct support for the crucifixion of Jesus. The general scholarly view is that while the Testimonium Flavianum is most likely not authentic in its entirety, it originally consisted of an authentic nucleus with a reference to the execution of Jesus by Pilate which was then subject to interpolation.[5][6][7][8][10] James Dunn states that there is "broad consensus" among scholars regarding the nature of an authentic reference to Jesus in the Testimonium and what the passage would look like without the interpolations.[9] Among other things, the authenticity of this passage would help make sense of the later reference in Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews Book 20, Chapter 9, 1 where Josephus refers to the stoning of "James the brother of Jesus". Feldman renders "τοῦ λεγομένου Χριστοῦ" not as "who was called Christ" but as "the aforementioned Christ" and sees this as confirmation that he had mentioned Jesus the Christ earlier, namely in the Testimonium.[1][2][58]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
In one of your articles, it was argued, that Eusebius inserted the passage to provide a historic reference for Jesus. However the question should be asked, was there a need to do so. The mythicists movement didn’t really exist or was silent from history until the 18th century. This argument just doesn’t seem to be needed, and isn’t seen in other works, that a historical reference was being forcefully inserted. And we also have an Arabic version, without the questionable additions. Which many scholars think is the authentic core. But in the end, while the passage does conform (secondhand) a few things, it’s not much use as an apologetic other than to the poor argument from silence being presented by bad historians.
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If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther