RE: You're a theist against immigration?
July 5, 2018 at 11:02 am
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2018 at 11:32 am by Drich.)
(July 3, 2018 at 3:20 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(July 3, 2018 at 10:24 am)Drich Wrote: Submission to the Authorities
13 Let every person pbe subject to the governing authorities. For qthere is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you rwill receive his approval, 4 for she is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, tan avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also ufor the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
[Romans 13:1-7]
No offense, Drich, but I find the argument presented here rather stupid. If this indeed is from God, rather than men, your God seems rather dim. I rather suspect it's not from God.
(This is oddly reminiscent of BennyBoy's recent argument that if you have done no wrong, you don't have any need of privacy. It's, at best, grossly naive.)
This is only 1/2 the equation.. the other 1/2 was the catylist for the revolutionary war between the uS and england.
That other 1/2 though doesn't have anything to do with what Jeer had to say about being allowed to hold your government in contempt because the guy you voted for lost. God allows for civil disobedience so long as it directly conflicted with a stated command of His. However this has nothing to do with liking your leaders. You like in the case of trump can hate the man but also accept he has done nothing outside the purview of Power that God allows. In truth he has not halted immigration, he simply chose to enforce the same laws that obama chose to up hold and enforce. Even up holding abortion is not a reason for their to be a 'christian break' from this country. What would deem a break necessary is if the leadership decides to start rewriting the bible via changing constitutional religious liberties." Meaning the constitution is amended to allow the government to argument what a christian or any other religion deems moral or immoral. to demand the worship of God which include certain mandates while excluding others is not the business of the government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8of3NAX-c
(July 4, 2018 at 9:42 pm)sdelsolray Wrote:(July 3, 2018 at 2:37 pm)Drich Wrote: ah... no. What the passage is telling you to do is spelled out in the passage itself. no need to draw a modern parallel,unless you are trying to rewrite what Paul explicitly says. now remember paul has been imprisoned and beaten at least once by rome at this point/before he wrote Romans. never once voice a disagreement. Never objected for being wrongly jailed, never demanded treatment outside of what the law allowed. So then where does your authority come from that allows you to 'protest' the law? from with in the law itself. not a direct line or act of God. It is a grace included in the law a provision from with in the government from allowing the government from getting too big. Which is secondly backed by God but not because God allows us to circumvent the law.
This one is quite stuck with his particular interpretation of Biblical text. He spends much time trying to make that a reality for himself and others. Frozen images often destroy opportunities.
Or they can lead to bigger pictures. it just depends on the purpose for defending what one knows to be true.