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Hello.....I have a little problem
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(September 12, 2011 at 7:03 pm)Shell B Wrote: Still . . . no. Read this carefully. Atheism only applies to theism in my life. It does not apply to how I think people should be treated, how I should treat people, what I think about employment, marriage, hygiene, etc. It doesn't even apply to a significant fraction of my life. I don't base any of the important things on atheism. I'm sorry that you cannot seem to grasp this.

I assure you I grasp it, that’s why I know it is wrong. Why do you not base your views on how we should treat others, marriage, and truth on God’s revealed word in scripture? Oh wait! It’s because you don’t believe God exists so you base it on other things! Your atheism does affect everything you do, that’s just the way it works, it is your ultimate worldview everything else is contingent upon it.

Quote:So you have no problem with me calling you an arrogant, trollish liar with a knack for convincing yourself of the absurd?

Sure, but only if you can demonstrate this to be true. I have already demonstrated that you are philosophically ignorant when I asked you what your ultimate standard was and you replied that you don’t have one. Nobody who has even a shred of a philosophical background would deny having an ultimate standard, everyone has one. Most atheists would say human reason; that was the answer I would expect from a philosophically astute atheist.

Quote:Way to bring up something entirely irrelevant.

Just because you cannot connect the dots does not mean it is irrelevant. You said you didn’t believe in sin, implying you were therefore not guilty of it, so I gave you a real world example to demonstrate how this was logically fallacious reasoning.

(September 12, 2011 at 7:32 pm)IATIA Wrote:


Whoa!! Someone else who gets it! I have no idea why other atheists are so reluctant to admit that their ultimate worldview is atheism, it’s not that big of a deal.

(September 12, 2011 at 7:40 pm)Shell B Wrote: Not using something is not the same as using something. Fairies do not influence my decisions. Does that mean that my non-belief in fairies is me using "not fairy" in making my everyday decisions? If you look at worldviews like that, it really muddies the water.

False analogy, the existence or non-existence of fairies has no real bearing on reality, morality, logic, knowledge, existence, and purpose. The existence or non-existence of the God of scripture who created all things, governs all things, and owns you does.
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