RE: Why believe the bible?
July 10, 2018 at 11:55 am
(This post was last modified: July 10, 2018 at 11:58 am by Angrboda.)
(July 10, 2018 at 11:08 am)Drich Wrote:(July 10, 2018 at 10:03 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Well, that's interesting information, and I can understand that you're distinguishing Positive Christianity from its sources, but I don't see in any of that a demand that Hitler be worshiped as God.
Your latter claim, that this is what he wanted, what are you basing that on?
last line of the last quote in the previous post:
During the war, Rosenberg drafted a plan for the future of religion in Germany which would see the "expulsion of the foreign Christian religions" and replacement of the Bible with and the cross with the swastika in Nazified churches.
Also the quote hitler said: "it is foolish to end or attempt religion unless you have something better." The end of Christian religion and the replacement of the bible with mein kampf and the cross with the swastika in nazi churches put hitler at the head of the church does it not? Who is the head of the church as the bible tells it it is Jesus Christ. The top article already names Hitler or rather Hitler calls himself the savior of the german people, now mid war he seeks the position of the 'head of the church.'
It's not clear that it means what you think it means. Head of the church, savior of the church, neither of these indicate that Hitler intended to replace God with himself. These are both expressions which have meanings quite apart from your rather idiomatic references to Christ's role in Christianity. It's not clear from what you've presented that there ever was going to be a demand to worship Hitler as God.
(July 10, 2018 at 11:08 am)Drich Wrote: : here is Actual nazi propaganda that is the beginning of the seperation of the Church and the nazi governmental church
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/rim5.htm
Quote:As long as the Roman Catholic Church stays within its boundaries, as long as it deals with the religious lives and experiences of its faithful, and as long as it does not interfere in the areas of politics, economics and culture, those areas that the National Socialist government reserves entirely to itself in the interests of the whole of the people, each church and religious group in Germany can conduct its activities unhindered and free of outside influence. ... “The nation is not the highest power, nor may the state be idolized; The highest power for each nation is and remains religion.”
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propag...e/rim5.htm
(July 10, 2018 at 11:08 am)Drich Wrote: here is the actual command/order for all senior officials and nazi party leaders to LEAVE the church and force compliance to the german state 'church' (where hitler is the savior)
http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/koehler.htm
This memo seems rather clear in its intent, and doesn't really support either of your inferences.
(July 10, 2018 at 11:08 am)Drich Wrote: This is the beginning of the expulsion of forgein christian religions as called for by rosenberg in the lat line of Hitler's plan for the religion of Germany.
Even if true, that doesn't imply the conclusions you've drawn here. I see no proverbial smoking gun in any of this. Based on the information you've presented, I'd have to rate your claim that Hitler demanded to be worshiped as God as false, and your contention that this is what he wanted as unsupported. You're conflating inferences you are making from the facts, with the actual facts themselves. For someone who "always supports his claims with three sources" I'd expect better than this. So, until you deliver, I'm going to have to conclude that you've failed to adequately support your claims.
It's also worth noting that if you're basing this all on Rosenberg, the Wikipedia article you cite states that, "Rosenberg was in the end, a marginalised figure in the Hitler regime." But if you have some explicit statements from Rosenberg that he intended to elevate Hitler to the station of God, by all means provide them.