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Hello.....I have a little problem
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(September 13, 2011 at 8:13 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Philosophically speaking ultimate standard and ultimate authority for truth are the same thing dunderhead. In order to give you a chance to backtrack since you seem to have realized how ridiculous your relativistic claims were I will ask the question again but use the phrase you seem to understand. Shell, what is your ultimate standard for truth?

Statler,

You're all over the forum with your presuppositionalist arguments recently aren't you?

I've only really seen assertions from you thus far though. You claim that the Christian Worldview is the only one that can account for certain things (Logic, Thought, Morality ...) yet you have failed to logically demonstrate this. Perhaps you could form full arguments to justify these assertions rather than just asserting it ad nauseum and we can go from there?

You also claim that 'all other worldviews' have failed to stand up to this criticism under presuppositionalism. I'd have to ask you to demonstrate that too.

I think given that people, including myself have tried to engage you on how our personal 'worldviews' (note we don't all share the 'atheist worldview', probably because it doesn't exist) account for these things you could at least answer those points before continuing to spuriously press on with this argument as if nothing has happened. Perhaps we could even get a thread going for this purpose to keep the discussion in one place.

Sam

P.S. Sorry if I'm intruding Shell Big Grin
"We need not suppose more things to exist than are absolutely neccesary." William of Occam

"Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing to attempt" William Shakespeare (Measure for Measure: Act 1, Scene 4)

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