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Just a theory
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RE: Just a theory
(July 11, 2018 at 9:25 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(July 11, 2018 at 1:08 am)Godscreated Wrote:  None of what you said explains anything and here's why. When we dream our minds use what we have already been exposed to, sure the mind might extrapolate something weird from the information but nothing new. A god would be something new for man because he would have not been exposed to the idea or information that would lead to such a dream, the concept would have been completely foreign to him.

 GC

Let's see. To a baby, our parents are omniscient and omnipotent. In experiments, a three-year old assumes its mother knows what's in a sealed box, presumably because it can't imagine there's anything Mom can't know. Compared to an infant, an adult is godlike. A village chief is a person greater than the others who demands obedience.

Gods aren't an original concept, they're just humans, magnified and aspects of nature and culture, personified. I water my garden to make the plants grow. When it rains, a greater gardener is watering the earth. To get from a god to a God, just keep magnifying it.

Your position that we couldn't come up with the idea of gods unless there were real gods is asinine.

Again what you have posted doesn't explain anything. By what you say babies and small children invented gods and that's ridiculous. Tell me how can a three year old be a reliable source, surely you realize that they aren't reliable, right. The concept of gods would have been beyond man's capacity, all we have to do is look at inventions through the ages to see that each feed off another. You're making excuses because you have no answer to your problem of where gods came from.

GC

(July 11, 2018 at 7:05 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(July 11, 2018 at 1:08 am)Godscreated Wrote: As for the first part of your post I disagree, it would be far more complicated than you seem to believe.

How so?  Do we not already have the idea of immaterial minds that are able to cause things to happen by willing them?

That's because we have the understanding of the God.


(July 11, 2018 at 1:08 am)Godscreated Wrote: As for death people understood what death was and at some point someone would have wanted to live forever because of their fear of death, but this in no way could lead to an idea of gods.

Jorm Wrote:In order for people to be able to project the mental beyond death, they must first have the ability to separate the mental from the physical.

That explains nothing about inventing gods.


(July 11, 2018 at 1:08 am)Godscreated Wrote: In the first part of your post you are basing and assuming from a modern man's perspective, from ideas we have today not what they were missing in the ages past.

Jorm Wrote:No, little children do what you're claiming only comes from a modern perspective.  I highly doubt the concept of minds being separate from bodies is a modern invention.

Those little kids have the modern perspective, you and Mr. Agenda need to let loose of the children and get serious. Doubting proves nothing. Just like inventions they feed from the past inventions. We invent for physical reasons, God is spiritual.


(July 11, 2018 at 1:08 am)Godscreated Wrote: The only reasonable answer is that from the beginning God made himself know to man through Adam and Eve.

Jorm Wrote:That's quite the hypothesis.

 It is far better than anything you have proposed which is little.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Just a theory - by kbultra - July 8, 2018 at 11:56 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 9, 2018 at 12:08 am
RE: Just a theory - by kbultra - July 9, 2018 at 12:13 am
RE: Just a theory - by Godscreated - July 9, 2018 at 12:42 am
RE: Just a theory - by Amarok - July 9, 2018 at 12:54 am
RE: Just a theory - by JairCrawford - July 12, 2018 at 6:36 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Amarok - July 12, 2018 at 9:12 pm
RE: Just a theory - by The Grand Nudger - July 9, 2018 at 1:26 am
RE: Just a theory - by robvalue - July 9, 2018 at 1:43 am
RE: Just a theory - by Fake Messiah - July 9, 2018 at 3:42 am
RE: Just a theory - by Brian37 - July 9, 2018 at 5:52 am
RE: Just a theory - by Silver - July 9, 2018 at 5:52 am
RE: Just a theory - by RoadRunner79 - July 9, 2018 at 7:21 am
RE: Just a theory - by Brian37 - July 9, 2018 at 7:43 am
RE: Just a theory - by Fake Messiah - July 9, 2018 at 9:00 am
RE: Just a theory - by RoadRunner79 - July 9, 2018 at 12:40 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Fake Messiah - July 9, 2018 at 2:57 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 9, 2018 at 9:35 am
RE: Just a theory - by brewer - July 9, 2018 at 7:30 am
RE: Just a theory - by Neo-Scholastic - July 9, 2018 at 12:55 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Minimalist - July 9, 2018 at 3:06 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Drich - July 9, 2018 at 3:15 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Astreja - July 9, 2018 at 3:23 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Angrboda - July 9, 2018 at 5:06 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 9, 2018 at 5:32 pm
RE: Just a theory - by The Valkyrie - July 9, 2018 at 5:21 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Godscreated - July 10, 2018 at 2:00 am
RE: Just a theory - by Mister Agenda - July 10, 2018 at 9:13 am
RE: Just a theory - by Godscreated - July 11, 2018 at 1:08 am
RE: Just a theory - by Angrboda - July 11, 2018 at 7:05 am
RE: Just a theory - by Mister Agenda - July 11, 2018 at 9:25 am
RE: Just a theory - by Godscreated - July 12, 2018 at 12:34 am
RE: Just a theory - by Fake Messiah - July 12, 2018 at 5:23 am
RE: Just a theory - by Mister Agenda - July 12, 2018 at 1:46 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Godscreated - July 13, 2018 at 12:48 am
RE: Just a theory - by Fake Messiah - July 13, 2018 at 3:00 am
RE: Just a theory - by Mister Agenda - July 13, 2018 at 9:30 am
RE: Just a theory - by Angrboda - July 13, 2018 at 11:45 am
RE: Just a theory - by Godscreated - July 14, 2018 at 12:17 am
RE: Just a theory - by Fake Messiah - July 14, 2018 at 2:11 am
RE: Just a theory - by Godscreated - July 16, 2018 at 1:01 am
RE: Just a theory - by Mister Agenda - July 16, 2018 at 9:14 am
RE: Just a theory - by Godscreated - July 17, 2018 at 1:13 am
RE: Just a theory - by Mister Agenda - July 17, 2018 at 9:11 am
RE: Just a theory - by Godscreated - July 18, 2018 at 2:13 am
RE: Just a theory - by Angrboda - July 10, 2018 at 10:19 am
RE: Just a theory - by Fake Messiah - July 10, 2018 at 2:14 am
RE: Just a theory - by The Valkyrie - July 11, 2018 at 1:38 am
RE: Just a theory - by The Grand Nudger - July 9, 2018 at 5:39 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Whateverist - July 11, 2018 at 11:42 am
RE: Just a theory - by Minimalist - July 12, 2018 at 2:24 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Amarok - July 13, 2018 at 2:14 am
RE: Just a theory - by The Valkyrie - July 13, 2018 at 2:18 am
RE: Just a theory - by Cecelia - July 15, 2018 at 2:51 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Mister Agenda - July 18, 2018 at 9:24 am
RE: Just a theory - by Icy - July 20, 2018 at 2:16 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Neo-Scholastic - July 23, 2018 at 1:49 pm
RE: Just a theory - by The Valkyrie - July 23, 2018 at 2:07 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Neo-Scholastic - July 23, 2018 at 2:52 pm
RE: Just a theory - by The Valkyrie - July 23, 2018 at 3:13 pm
RE: Just a theory - by Neo-Scholastic - July 23, 2018 at 4:52 pm

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