Hello.....I have a little problem

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You got the second part right.

Special pleading, you can’t agree that Christian Theism is a worldview for the same reasons that make Atheism a worldview and then turn around and say atheism Is not a worldview. They either both are or they both are not.

Nope. I am saying he doesn't believe them to be sins, but you knew that.

Why would anyone believe they were not? “Sin” is a term only defined by the Bible and the Bible is clear that certain forms of pride are indeed sinful.

Nowhere, nor did I say that. He doesn't believe in the Bible, nor was he preaching it to you or labeling you a sinner. He was showing you that the teachings you say you adhere to are quite obviously not displayed in your behavior.

Backtrack backtrack, and I demonstrated that it would be impossible for me to be sinfully prideful given my views on all of humanity and how we obtain what we know. Believing that everything good in me is solely a gracious and therefore undeserved gift from God is not prideful at all.

Change that we to a "me" and I'll agree with you. The foundation of your life is ancient lies. That has naught to do with me.

The foundation of your life is your disbelief in the God of scripture.

Your conceit and your lying (oh, yes, you're not as smart as you think you are). Do you need more?

So you just tried to prove I was dishonest by merely stating I was dishonest? You are not as smart as even I thought you were I guess. I want actual proof I have been dishonest about anything, if you can’t provide this then your accusations are unfounded and therefore dishonest themselves.

Hahaha. You're comparing me to Jeffrey Dahmer?

You made the comparison by taking the exact same position on morality that he did (prior to his conversion), don’t blame me.

Not in the slightest. Quit falling back on "philosophically this" and "philosophically that" to make it sound like your vocabulary fuckups are philosophical interpretations of language. Authority and standard are not the same thing.

Yes they are, you asserting something to the contrary does not make it so.

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Why would you make such a big deal about authority vs. standard if you have neither? I rest my case. You have no ultimate authority/standard for truth. You are philosophically ignorant.

You claim that the Christian Worldview is the only one that can account for certain things (Logic, Thought, Morality ...) yet you have failed to logically demonstrate this. Perhaps you could form full arguments to justify these assertions rather than just asserting it ad nauseum and we can go from there?

Hey Sam,

That’s not really how it works, it’s not my responsibility to demonstrate that all other worldviews fail, I can demonstrate that Christianity can account for those things. If you have another worldview that you thing can (preferably the one you ascribe to) we can discuss it.

I think given that people, including myself have tried to engage you on how our personal 'worldviews' (note we don't all share the 'atheist worldview', probably because it doesn't exist) account for these things you could at least answer those points before continuing to spuriously press on with this argument as if nothing has happened. Perhaps we could even get a thread going for this purpose to keep the discussion in one place.

Well I would disagree with you there, all atheists do have atheistic worldviews, you will never find an atheist who holds to beliefs that rely on the supernatural or some form of deity because then they would no longer be an atheist. The fact that atheists have different believes does not discount atheism as a worldview itself. It’s difficult to have such discussions with people like Shell who refuse to even outline their worldview and give sarcastic answers like “42” to serious questions about it. I know you are a bit more serious about such matters so I am willing to address any questions you have though, you know me.