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Poll: Is Donald Trump a traitor to the United States
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Yes, and he should be impeached!
70.00%
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Yes, but he should remain in office.
3.33%
1 3.33%
No, just an incompetent boob.
16.67%
5 16.67%
He's the equivalent of a Jedi Master -- just trust him!
3.33%
1 3.33%
Don't know.
6.67%
2 6.67%
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Is Donald Trump a traitor?!
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RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?!
(July 19, 2018 at 12:29 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:
(July 19, 2018 at 12:08 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: Exactly. You have to be actually at war with someone to commit treason. We aren't at war with Russia. People call them our enemy, but I can't really see why. They are no more or less our enemy than half the countries of the world.

I think it boils down to a couple things:
1) The Russians used to be our biggest enemy. Technically, the Soviet Union was our enemy, but in practice, the Soviet Union was over a dozen smaller countries whose governments were subsumed by Russia.
2) With ISIS falling and our Middle Eastern enemies being a lot more nebulous than they were during the Bush administration, there's a vacuum in our desire to fuck some shit up.
3) Russia is A) acting in ways diametrically opposed to what America is supposed to be for (even if those ideals were just barely honoured by America), B) Powerful enough to potentially be a world superpower again, and C) Actually fairly dangerous, even if the danger hasn't actually reached us.

It's not enough to actually be an enemy; In my post, I specifically called it more of a rival than an enemy, but that distinction seems to be lost on a bunch of people.

Exactly so. But lots of countries are our rivals. Russia isn't special except to old people who don't want to let go of the cold war.

Putin gets a B+ as far as leaders of Russia in the last 100 years.

I also believe Trump should be impeached. But not for anything to do with Russia. Watching the American left have heart attacks over all things Russia is truly baffling. The same as watching right wing people ignore or defend Russia.

Personally I think better relations with Russia is better for everyone.
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Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Jehanne - July 17, 2018 at 6:33 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Fireball - July 17, 2018 at 6:56 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Jehanne - July 17, 2018 at 7:58 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Minimalist - July 17, 2018 at 7:09 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 17, 2018 at 7:14 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Minimalist - July 17, 2018 at 7:16 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by possibletarian - July 17, 2018 at 7:26 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Whateverist - July 17, 2018 at 7:46 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Mr.wizard - July 17, 2018 at 8:03 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by polymath257 - July 17, 2018 at 8:17 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Fireball - July 17, 2018 at 8:24 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Whateverist - July 17, 2018 at 9:13 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Crossless2.0 - July 18, 2018 at 9:07 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Shell B - July 17, 2018 at 9:18 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Joods - July 17, 2018 at 9:23 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Shell B - July 18, 2018 at 8:15 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Joods - July 18, 2018 at 8:26 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Shell B - July 18, 2018 at 9:07 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Rev. Rye - July 18, 2018 at 9:51 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Joods - July 18, 2018 at 10:42 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Ravenshire - July 18, 2018 at 10:27 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Shell B - July 18, 2018 at 11:33 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Ravenshire - July 18, 2018 at 11:37 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Anomalocaris - July 18, 2018 at 11:46 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Brian37 - July 18, 2018 at 1:03 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Mystical - July 17, 2018 at 10:56 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by AFTT47 - July 17, 2018 at 11:08 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Anomalocaris - July 18, 2018 at 12:40 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Mystical - July 18, 2018 at 1:53 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Mystical - July 17, 2018 at 11:27 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Rev. Rye - July 17, 2018 at 11:29 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by CapnAwesome - July 19, 2018 at 12:08 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Minimalist - July 18, 2018 at 1:21 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by MysticKnight - July 18, 2018 at 8:31 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Pat Mustard - July 19, 2018 at 7:44 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Brian37 - July 19, 2018 at 8:32 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by vorlon13 - July 18, 2018 at 8:33 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by polymath257 - July 18, 2018 at 9:19 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Anomalocaris - July 18, 2018 at 9:47 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Minimalist - July 19, 2018 at 2:00 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Amarok - July 18, 2018 at 9:13 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Mister Agenda - July 18, 2018 at 9:34 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by brewer - July 18, 2018 at 10:49 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Rev. Rye - July 18, 2018 at 12:07 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Neo-Scholastic - July 18, 2018 at 12:48 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Mister Agenda - July 19, 2018 at 12:38 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Neo-Scholastic - July 19, 2018 at 1:20 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Aroura - July 19, 2018 at 2:48 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Shell B - July 18, 2018 at 12:58 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Neo-Scholastic - July 18, 2018 at 1:30 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Shell B - July 18, 2018 at 2:07 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Neo-Scholastic - July 18, 2018 at 2:19 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Mystical - July 18, 2018 at 6:41 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Neo-Scholastic - July 18, 2018 at 7:34 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Angrboda - July 18, 2018 at 1:36 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Minimalist - July 18, 2018 at 2:41 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by mlmooney89 - July 18, 2018 at 2:41 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Whateverist - July 18, 2018 at 6:47 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Brian37 - July 18, 2018 at 7:24 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Brian37 - July 19, 2018 at 12:29 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Mystical - July 18, 2018 at 4:12 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Minimalist - July 18, 2018 at 4:18 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Silver - July 18, 2018 at 7:37 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by SteelCurtain - July 18, 2018 at 7:56 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Cecelia - July 18, 2018 at 11:42 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Rev. Rye - July 19, 2018 at 12:29 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Anomalocaris - July 19, 2018 at 12:50 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Rev. Rye - July 19, 2018 at 1:00 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Anomalocaris - July 19, 2018 at 9:34 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Rev. Rye - July 19, 2018 at 10:27 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Anomalocaris - July 19, 2018 at 12:42 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by CapnAwesome - July 19, 2018 at 11:25 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by The Grand Nudger - July 19, 2018 at 8:23 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by The Grand Nudger - July 19, 2018 at 11:31 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Neo-Scholastic - July 19, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Crossless2.0 - July 19, 2018 at 12:31 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Anomalocaris - July 19, 2018 at 12:35 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Brian37 - July 20, 2018 at 6:29 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Rev. Rye - July 19, 2018 at 1:06 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Pat Mustard - July 19, 2018 at 6:23 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Shell B - July 19, 2018 at 1:27 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Neo-Scholastic - July 19, 2018 at 2:33 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Anomalocaris - July 19, 2018 at 3:09 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Amarok - July 19, 2018 at 3:54 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Minimalist - July 19, 2018 at 2:14 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Brian37 - July 20, 2018 at 7:47 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Anomalocaris - July 19, 2018 at 4:17 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Minimalist - July 19, 2018 at 5:45 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Crossless2.0 - July 19, 2018 at 5:51 pm
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by Anomalocaris - July 20, 2018 at 7:33 am
RE: Is Donald Trump a traitor?! - by MysticKnight - July 22, 2018 at 9:18 am

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