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Moral Nihilism
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RE: Moral Nihilism
If free will is such an assumption, how is "not free will" any less of an assumption? As far as I see it, we have the evidence for free will, which is that we make choices (at least we think we do), and other people can observe us making choices.

To say "there is no free will" is tantamount to saying that all information in the universe has sprung from nothing, that because our choices are not choices, everything we have ever written, invented, etc is all predetermined from the moment we are born (and retrospectively the moment life emerged). It means that William Shakespeare was "destined" to become a writer and poet, and that his choices didn't make him what he became.

The view that others here seem to be presenting is not one of "no free will", but one of "limited free will", which is one I can understand. It is a compromise between the two, saying that because we are simply "gene machines" some of our actions are based solely on instinct and internal decisions, whilst the apparent presence of consciousness and self-awareness means that some decisions are made in the conscious mind.

There is a distinction between the two, but as I've already said, I think "not free will" leads to ridiculous conclusions when you take it back in time.
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Moral Nihilism - by Charles - May 2, 2009 at 11:45 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by padraic - May 3, 2009 at 12:27 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Charles - May 3, 2009 at 1:08 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 3, 2009 at 4:29 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Charles - May 5, 2009 at 10:46 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 6, 2009 at 4:30 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Charles - May 6, 2009 at 10:34 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 6, 2009 at 10:13 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 3, 2009 at 4:36 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Charles - May 5, 2009 at 11:54 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by padraic - May 3, 2009 at 4:42 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 3, 2009 at 6:02 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 4, 2009 at 3:56 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 4, 2009 at 4:15 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by leo-rcc - May 4, 2009 at 4:46 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 4, 2009 at 7:50 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 4, 2009 at 4:54 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by leo-rcc - May 4, 2009 at 5:01 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 4, 2009 at 5:03 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by leo-rcc - May 4, 2009 at 5:10 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 4, 2009 at 6:55 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 4, 2009 at 7:51 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 4, 2009 at 7:55 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 4, 2009 at 9:48 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 6, 2009 at 3:46 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 6, 2009 at 4:33 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 6, 2009 at 5:33 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 6, 2009 at 6:37 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 6, 2009 at 7:14 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 6, 2009 at 7:44 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 6, 2009 at 8:50 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 6, 2009 at 4:39 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Charles - May 8, 2009 at 12:06 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 9, 2009 at 8:12 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Charles - May 10, 2009 at 12:56 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 10, 2009 at 9:35 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Charles - May 12, 2009 at 1:40 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 6, 2009 at 10:21 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 7, 2009 at 4:29 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Sam - May 7, 2009 at 5:42 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 7, 2009 at 7:09 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by g-mark - May 7, 2009 at 7:35 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 7, 2009 at 10:47 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 7, 2009 at 11:36 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 8, 2009 at 4:29 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Charles - May 8, 2009 at 10:50 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Sam - May 8, 2009 at 5:54 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Charles - May 9, 2009 at 12:56 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 9, 2009 at 3:52 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 9, 2009 at 8:42 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 10, 2009 at 9:42 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 10, 2009 at 10:58 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 10, 2009 at 2:36 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 10, 2009 at 2:39 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Sam - May 11, 2009 at 2:19 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by LukeMC - May 11, 2009 at 5:11 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by padraic - May 12, 2009 at 2:08 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 12, 2009 at 3:59 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Sam - May 12, 2009 at 5:23 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Charles - May 14, 2009 at 12:33 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by LukeMC - May 14, 2009 at 11:17 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 14, 2009 at 9:24 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by g-mark - May 14, 2009 at 11:35 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 14, 2009 at 1:38 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by LukeMC - May 14, 2009 at 3:07 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by g-mark - May 19, 2009 at 12:06 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by g-mark - May 15, 2009 at 11:51 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by lrh9 - May 16, 2009 at 12:54 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by infidel666 - May 16, 2009 at 2:06 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 16, 2009 at 6:54 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 16, 2009 at 6:10 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 19, 2009 at 3:21 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - May 16, 2009 at 7:34 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 16, 2009 at 7:22 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 16, 2009 at 9:23 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by padraic - May 16, 2009 at 7:37 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by infidel666 - May 19, 2009 at 9:16 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 20, 2009 at 9:28 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 19, 2009 at 9:43 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 19, 2009 at 10:20 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by infidel666 - May 20, 2009 at 8:52 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 20, 2009 at 10:06 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 20, 2009 at 10:29 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 20, 2009 at 11:19 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by g-mark - May 20, 2009 at 1:00 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 20, 2009 at 3:47 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by infidel666 - May 20, 2009 at 2:39 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 20, 2009 at 3:30 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 20, 2009 at 5:42 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 20, 2009 at 6:56 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by infidel666 - May 21, 2009 at 1:11 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 21, 2009 at 3:58 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 20, 2009 at 7:15 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 20, 2009 at 7:18 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Charles - May 20, 2009 at 11:20 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - May 21, 2009 at 4:29 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Kyuuketsuki - May 21, 2009 at 5:19 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - May 21, 2009 at 7:23 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - June 1, 2009 at 10:42 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Charles - June 9, 2009 at 10:56 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Edwardo Piet - June 9, 2009 at 11:01 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by padraic - June 2, 2009 at 11:14 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Giff - June 3, 2009 at 2:08 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by infidel666 - June 4, 2009 at 8:26 am
RE: Moral Nihilism - by padraic - June 4, 2009 at 9:46 pm
RE: Moral Nihilism - by Tiberius - June 9, 2009 at 11:58 pm

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