After birth abortion?

[LadyForCamus]

I consider instinct action nor do i think conscience deliberation is needed to act .Thus the fetus or a ring worm   drawing on a persons  resources and living in there body against her will is a violation wither it by deliberation or instinct the result is the same and thus the women has the right to remove the violator from her body

I understand the point you are trying to make, but again, it seems unnecessarily vitriolic to refer to the fetus as a “violator.”  It implies some sinister intention on its behalf, which is silly.

I agree with your first point but it goes beyond feels it is by any definition forced reproduction thus is equal to rape as far as i'm concerned . What i will disagree on is that it has nothing to do with the fetus because wither it wills it or not it's unwanted presence is a violation and she holds the right to remove it .

I’m saying that the fetus is not, and cannot be culpable, contrary to how you’ve colored your rhetoric, intentional or not. I’m not saying that is your position; I’m just explaining how it sounds to me.

 The fetus is innocent.

That plays no role in this as i'm not arguing from guilt or innocence. Nor does it factor into rightness or the mothers right to remove it  or they act it doing against her will.

I will retract the word ‘innocent’ with regard to the fetus.  It was imprecise and smells a bit of an appeal to emotion in retrospect.  I just mean that in situations of unwanted pregnancy, the fetus is not capable of making a moral decision about its presence.

This is a blood sucking it's innocent of a willful act it's still violating me when it starts to drink my blood and i still have the right remove it from my arm even if it results in it's death .

Comparing a fully developed, self-sufficient, adult parasite of another species to the fetal stage of human gestation is a false analogy. That creature (ew, btw 😛) does not carry the potential for personhood.