Hello.....I have a little problem

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You don’t know all of the theistic proofs proposed through the centuries?

I see none of them as logically sound. Albeit there are no sound logical arguments to the contrary, they all establish premises on the basis of assumptions. This would need to go to a new thread for elaboration, but suffice it to say that most all proofs, pro or con, are generally or inherently based in causality and that may not (probably not) exist. They certainly make assumptions of things that we can never know.

There is no god to believe in or disbelieve. It has nothing to do with proof or lack thereof. There just really is no such thing as a god.

How do you know this?

Like I said, the same way I know there are no fairies or ghosts for that matter. Nothing supernatural can exist. If it did, then by it's own existence it would have to be natural and natural things do not perform magic as magic is unnatural.

False analogy, the rock point is a logical contradiction; God appearing before you is not a logical contradiction so you are going to have to expand on this point if you wish it to be logically coherent.

No true god could possibly appear before anyone. It would only be a representative or messenger.

Wait, I know that Mars, Jupiter, Apollo, and Zeus do not exist because scripture says they do not, so you know Yahweh does not exist because scriptures says He does not? Scripture says he does though.

We have yet to establish the authority of this dubious collection of books alleged to proclaim it's own authority.

It is more just logically incoherent really; I need to know how you know that God, Zeus, and fairies do not exist if it is not a “lack of proof or evidence” as you stated above.

Because they are logically incoherent with my worldview.

It was his only role!

How does that apply to believers today?

That is their desire. Go to heaven and worship their god and bow to his whims. Ergo, tend his garden. What else are they going to do? Light one up, grab a beer and sit down at their computer and argue with an atheist? OOPS! Can't do that in heaven. Mortal pleasures are sin.

Then obviously you did not read it or you do not know who the Borg are. As to a losing team, I will always fight on the side of freedom, regardless.

I know enough to know they are cybernetic, I see know reference to cybernetics in Revelation. Satan is not free, he is currently bound by the preaching of the Gospel, so maybe you should choose a different side.

A ship decending from the heavens that is 1500 miles wide, 1500 miles deep, 1500 miles high and walls 200 foot thick. Why does god need a spaceship? Did you know the moon is just over 2000 miles in diameter? That is one big ass Borg ship.

Is not that what I just said??

No, you said something about the evils of the atheistic worldview, which I agree it, is evil but I was more pointing out its inconsistencies.

My point was, when it comes to morals, there are no consistencies in either the theistic worldview or the atheistic worldview. There are agreed on rules via democracy or tyranny, but there are no absolutes. Everything changes with the times.

It only ended less that 200 years ago. And the relevance is the fact that the source of morals does not in any way determine the quality of the morals.

The dates I saw put the end of the inquisition farther back than that, be careful though Shell will jump in here and start calling you dumb for believing there was only one “inquisition”. Well the leaders of the inquisition morals were not based on scripture they were based on the heads of the church, so I would argue that they made the same error that Dahmer did, they made men their final moral authority.

No need. Here is a partial.

1220: Dominican Order founded

1231: Gregory IX begins Medieval Inquisition

1478: Sixtus IV authorizes the Spanish Inquisition

1515: Leo X institues pre-press censorship, not enforced

1517: Martin Luther (or see a Catholic take on him) begins his protests

1540: Jesuit Order founded

1542: Bernardino Ochino flees Italy, converts to Protestantism Paul III establishes the Roman Inquisition Limited press censorship, banning of Ochino's works

1544: Yet another Index version

1559: Paul IV's Pauline Index

1563: Last session of the Council of Trent ends

1564: Tridentine Index published

1571: Congregation of the Index founded by St.Pius V

1588: Sixtus V creates Congregation of the Holy Roman and Universal Inquisition or Holy Office

1600: Giordano Bruno's Trial (and subsequent burning)

1633: Galileo's Trial

1834: Spanish Inquisition officially ends.

1908: Inquisition becomes Holy Office.

You still have not explained how a God could suffer from psychopathy which of course is a human mental illness. I will wait for you to do that. I also still want you to explain how you determine your moral standard that you seem to think applies to God. Thanks.

Simple. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

"Psychopathy is a mental disorder characterized primarily by a lack of empathy and remorse, shallow emotions, egocentricity, and deceptiveness. Psychopaths are highly prone to antisocial behavior and abusive treatment of others"

I think the destruction of all human and animal life on this planet qualifies, along with an plethora of other 'god-like' actions. We are talking genocide on an unparalleled scale and drowning to death is not an easy way to go either. The condoning of "bashing babies heads against the rock", the approval of adultry for the sole purpose of continuing a blood-line, this god's head is not on straight.

It will probably one of the

tags. It took me three shots on mine.

[quote='Statler Waldorf' pid='179789' dateline='1316214032']It was! Thanks!

You are welcome.