RE: Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?
August 15, 2018 at 9:44 pm
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2018 at 9:49 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 15, 2018 at 9:16 pm)bennyboy Wrote: It's not "virtue signalling." I'm saying explicitly that I've made a conscious effort to act virtuously, and I've found it more disadvantageous than advantageous.That your intentional attempt to virtue signal and trade on virtue has failed..in your estimation...doesn't mean that you didn't engage in a virtue signaling and trading campaign.
I'll note..here...that I think you're a solid guy...so you may have secured profit that you're unaware of..but I'll also note that I've never done anything of the sort. I've never tried, I never would try, it irks me to even imagine doing it. I can understand your frustration, but at the same time I don't know why you would need to do that. I never did..and I'm not being white male genocided like you fear you will be. I do what I do and the chips fall. If I;m a shitty poerson I expect shitty consequences. I accept it, even. I don't complain about the unfairness of it all.
I feel untouchable. You feel afraid. What explains that disparity?
Quote:What's a "malinformed feeling"?Just to knock it out. A malinformed feeling is one that is legitimate -as a feeling-....but doesn't accurately express the situation that you're really in. A pretty girl who feels ugly. A skinny girl who thinks she's fat. A nice guy who's worried he's an asshole. You think that you're being victimized or are at uimmanent risk of victimization./ It's not even remotely likely that this is true..no matter how strongly and legitimately you feel this way.
My feelings represent my emotional reactions to my environment. They are motivators, and will explain many of my behaviors (if you believe in free will) and ALL of them if you do not. Blaming me for having the "wrong" feelings about things might make your farts smell better to you, but they are unlikely to lead me to align my behaviors with those who cause them.
Quote:Obviously, this is the condensed version, but your own comments in this very thread fit the spirit of that statement quite well. And in my experience, while I respect you more than most who make similar arguments, I'd say your arguments are pretty representative of that political cross-section.Really..when I tell you to toughen up and improve yourself..I'm reinforcing your notions of being victimized by the left for having a penis and pale skin? Why don't you feel that way when right wing asshats say the same things to others....?
Quote:Well, let's take Tizheruk's issue with dream catchers as an example of me trying to participate in the identity politics. I made the argument that cultural appropriation of natives was relevant, precisely because certain traditions hold value to people with a certain identity. One of our members (I think I remember but I don't want to say the name in case I got it wrong) told him in no uncertain terms to go fuck himself, and I felt that such an off-hand dismissal was unnecessarily insensitive. I even suggested (to my current disappointment with myself) that the person involved was an entitled white oppressor, and should more seriously consider the plight of poor Tiz and his downtrodden people.
So, Tiz and I are best buds now, right? He deeply appreciated my willingness to go to bat for him, to support him, and to stand up to several pages of verbal lashings on his behalf, right?
Nope. Tiz is so busy thinking about himself, about what he believes and demands that everyone else must believe, he's so busy smelling his own farts, that he can't remember any of that.
That's fine. Tiz is not under any particular compulsion to like me, and part of the nature of forums is that people often end up disliking those who express ideas contrary to their own.
But from my perspective, there's a clear lesson there: there's no benefit for me in standing up for anyone else. Nobody's going to praise me for trying to be virtuous-- they are going to say I'm "virtue signalling," and use any good I've attempted to do as yet another way to put me in a box and to discard my opinions. Hire all black staff in a country where black people are almost ALWAYS rejected with prejudice? Oh. . . you're just doing it out of guilt/pride/anxiety. It's literally a climate in which I feel NO MATTER WHAT I DO, there cannot be any positive outcome for me.
But I have every right just to walk away from it all. "I don't give a shit anymore" is a perfectly rational position from someone who's tried, and not felt sufficiently rewarded for the effort.
Well, Tiz and I diverge on that issue. Even so..just because Tiz doesn't shower you with praise for that thing doesn't mean that there's no benefit in standing up for other...and even that may be a subtle misunderstanding of the situation. Even though we diverge, Tiz has doubts about you..but not me. Often, when we stand up for "others" we are standing up for ourselves. Personally, my whole identity as regards virtue surrounds standing up for others in the right things even if it actively harms me. Because I'm a leftist? No. Because I'm a patriot and in many ways hyper masculine. People don't give me shit for it. Far from being criticized for my penis thoughts........I'm rewarded. Monetarily, once upon a time, and now socially. To be brutally honest, I can cudgel people over the head with the fact that I will bleed for strangers when they wont so much as endure a sleepless night for their closest of kin.
Tell me how that fits with the narrative of white male anxiety? Explain to me how I can do what my dick tells me and profit..while others imagine that doing what their dick tells them leads to ruin? Explain to me why this is somehow a left/right issue?
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