RE: Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, Round 2
August 20, 2018 at 2:01 pm
(This post was last modified: August 20, 2018 at 2:19 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The really twisted bit, in all of this, imo anyway, is this. There is some disagreement over whether there should even be civil rights laws. I don't agree with the argument that there shouldn't be..but acknowledged clearly and without obfuscation this is, at least, a respectable disagreement of opinion. The truth is that the only way to remove the civil rights of these groups that bigoted christians feel religiously compelled to discriminate against is to completely nullify them. Unless we're willing to remove article one (article one, lol) and the fourteenth amendment from the constitution....these guys are going to have to find some other way to get right with jesus.
This, ultimately, is the aim of christian dominionism in the first place. Their cynical attempt to use civil rights laws and other federal guarantees in order to strip some devalued class of the same needs to be put under a burning white spotlight. All the more so when they obfuscate that fact for reasons of finding it's confrontation unutterable.
Just..fucking..say it. Say that you support religious discrimination. You do. Then the discussion can be had out in the open and in earnest.
Did the state mandate his job assignment as a baker? Did the state force him to open a cake shop instead of a church? If he refuses to bake this cake, will they hold him at gunpoint...or send some guys over to hold his hands and force him to stir the batter?
No...no..no..and no.
Wanna do business in the US of A? Follow the damned laws. Don't wanna follow the laws..pay the fines. It's not that difficult. There's all sorts of illegal shit I'd -love- to do for a living..but I don't. Is it wholly beyond the realm of reasonable that a person look at applicable laws before they open up shop and ask themselves the question "can I follow these laws?"..? Is there some point that "but -my- religion" is a compelling reason to deprive someone -else- of their rights? Do these people think that their rights are wholly unrestricted and sacrosanct even in the case of a conflict between anothers? Do they think that our rights are a suicide pact?
What?
This, ultimately, is the aim of christian dominionism in the first place. Their cynical attempt to use civil rights laws and other federal guarantees in order to strip some devalued class of the same needs to be put under a burning white spotlight. All the more so when they obfuscate that fact for reasons of finding it's confrontation unutterable.
Just..fucking..say it. Say that you support religious discrimination. You do. Then the discussion can be had out in the open and in earnest.
(August 20, 2018 at 1:55 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Unamerican is using government power to compel labor from people and forcing them to express values violating their conscience.
Did the state mandate his job assignment as a baker? Did the state force him to open a cake shop instead of a church? If he refuses to bake this cake, will they hold him at gunpoint...or send some guys over to hold his hands and force him to stir the batter?
No...no..no..and no.
Wanna do business in the US of A? Follow the damned laws. Don't wanna follow the laws..pay the fines. It's not that difficult. There's all sorts of illegal shit I'd -love- to do for a living..but I don't. Is it wholly beyond the realm of reasonable that a person look at applicable laws before they open up shop and ask themselves the question "can I follow these laws?"..? Is there some point that "but -my- religion" is a compelling reason to deprive someone -else- of their rights? Do these people think that their rights are wholly unrestricted and sacrosanct even in the case of a conflict between anothers? Do they think that our rights are a suicide pact?
What?
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