Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission, Round 2

[Catholic_Lady]

It'd be super shitty, but legally I think he should have the right to do that, yeah.

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And just so everyone knows I'm being completely objective here, I'd say the same thing if the scenario was a Catholic baptism or something.

Interesting. Can you justify your position? The cake is already baked. It’s already symbolic, the baker was just unaware of its symbolism. Are you saying that freedom of expression is retroactive?

I’m failing to see the difference between this scenario and one where the baker is blissfully unaware the entire time (say, if the customer picks up the cake alone).

My position is the same - that a business owner shouldn't be forced by the government to contribute to an event or cause he has strong opposition to. If he doesn't know, then he doesn't know. But if he finds out and decides he doesn't want to service such event, it should be in his right to refuse, imho.

However, Agenda does make a good point regarding your example, which is that the couple could possibly sue at that point... for ruining their event last minute. In which case it would have been the baker's fault for not asking about the wedding. If he's willing to pull some shit like that last minute, it is his duty to ask ahead of time, so he doesn't screw people over and ruin their day.

My position comes from the bit of libertarian in me. In principle, I generally would rather the government stay out of personal freedoms as much as it is reasonably possible to do so. The right to life should always be protected, which is why I'm pro life and am for better health care coverage for people who can't afford it, and help for the poor, etc. But as far as making cakes goes, and refusing services for specific events (not people), I don't see this as any sort of life/death situation where it is crucial for the government to step in.