(September 18, 2011 at 10:59 am)fr0d0 Wrote: God forgives you unconditionally: that's not love?We had this discussion before - there's no such thing as unconditional love. Love always has conditions.
If you assert god is omnibenevolent or whatever then the first condition is, I must exist. If I don't exist, there is nothing to love. His affection needs to have a recipient.
The second condition of that passion is that I must reciprocate it. God has to experience the same love, liking or affection back. If I don't respond, there is no relationship and thus love cannot be sustained or flourish. Period.
You've also pointed out in several threads before that god's "ardour" is such an intense feeling of love, so all-encompassing, that no man can hope to match or repay it. Man is mortal and perishable and cannot continue loving this deity when he is weary of it or dead and gone. There is no affinity or likeness between creator and creation here. Therefore no one can provide a required conditional reciprocation of this raw emotion, and ultimately god's love fails before it starts. El Finito. By your assertion man is, by his own nature, unable or unworthy to love god as god loves man.
Quote:God forces you??In answer to your questions on choice - Do you believe I'll be sent to hell or suffer consequences if I don't? If I suffer loss, then he is either directly or indirectly (if he set reality/nature this way) forcing me against my will to love and obey him, which isn't love at all.
Do you not have a choice then?
(September 19, 2011 at 5:17 am)lucent Wrote: The reason no one could answer this question for you is because most Christians don't understand much about the foreknowledge of God. It is sad no one even tried while you were in doubt.Lucent, are you borrowing your entire responses and quoted extracts from the Covenant Protestant Reformed Church website? Look, please cite them so that I can ignore them if you are.
(September 19, 2011 at 5:38 am)FutureAndAHopedateline='1316425122' Wrote: Unpardonable sin is resisting the work of the Holy Spirit finally and completely, after many signs, and warnings to change your way.So "unlimited" forgiveness was simply a case of Jesus lying or stretching the truth? You can't both. You can't have unlimited forgiveness for all sins and then unforgivable sins within those. They contradict one another.
Quote:Because this issue is too complex to describe hereBullshit. Do that and I'll ignore you. You can kindly post your responses right here, just like what we're doing right now. Don't signpost us over to other websites that are just quoting straight from Biblical text in any case.
