(May 21, 2009 at 3:47 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Frodo ... I am aware of your claim, I happen to dispute it and so, as far as I am aware, do many others in this forum. I don't care if your God is the biggest baddest motherfucker ever to grace this universe or any other, if something affects our universe then it must leave a trail of evidence ... to do otherwise is something extraordinary and therefore you must provide extraordinary evidence to support your claim.
The trail of evidence is everything and anything of course. It also isn't to you. *shrugs*. The claim is that evidence is impossible to determine without the knowledge of a god.
(May 21, 2009 at 3:47 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(May 20, 2009 at 5:22 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The theological questions are not scientific questions requiring evidence. Even consideration of the problems are anti science.
To insist, as you are doing, that the evidence for your God is beyond science, reason and the accepted rules of verifiable evidence acquisition (that your god is above and beyond the accepted rules of science & evidence) is nothing but special pleading.
Kyu
Science doesn't cover it. You either accept that or continue with a very limited veiw of the world. A simplistic - touch it we can know it world, without the capacity of thought.
(May 21, 2009 at 4:47 pm)lilphil1989 Wrote:(May 21, 2009 at 2:31 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent...
How do you know that your god has these properties?
I don't. I know that these ideas stand up to scrutiny, and as such represent our best understanding.
(May 21, 2009 at 7:04 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: You still haven't countered my argument though. Looks to me like you're just merely dismissing the logic of it.
Yeah because you and I are talking theory. If your argument isn't logical then to me I couldn't hold that opinion. It'd have to make sense.
EvieThat's not what you said before. Before you said that you COULD have rational reasoning to make the leap:fr0d0 Wrote: Wrote:You can't have rational reasoning that makes it sure you need the leap... that would be entirely illogical, like you say.
You have rational reasoning to make the leap a worthwhile risk. You can't rationally do something and at the same time that thing be a risk. I get a glimpse of the benefits on the other side and can reason that the leap may be worth it. that's the position a Christian finds themselves in. This in no way puts beyond doubt the existence of God. That cannot be known, and faith is part of the journey.
This is my last time on the forum for a few weeks guys. It's been a blast as usual. Catch up with you then. Try not to waste away in my absence k?
