(August 30, 2018 at 11:51 am)polymath257 Wrote:(August 30, 2018 at 11:04 am)SteveII Wrote: What?!
Forget the "pure version". If you don't have a body, you do not have inputs. You don't have outputs. You will not experience anything but contemplation. How in the world could you experience happiness!? That would be torture after like a day or two--not to mention years. That is to say nothing about whatever effect the total removal of God's presence would have on your soul--which you would not have experienced to that point--so who knows what that would be like.
How is not experiencing anything but contemplation a torture? Happiness is an *emotion*. if I can experience pain and suffering (without inputs, mind you), i clearly would have the ability to experience emotions.
Why would 'total removal' from God's presence be any different than the life I have right now? I see no evidence of this deity. I see no reason to believe in this deity. And yet I am perfectly happy without this deity being involved in my life.
I think it is just plain stupid to think a person can be eternally happy with just their thoughts. Humans need relationships, contact, routines, stimuli, affection, etc. etc. or they will go off the rails. Emotions attached to nothing directed at nothing and from nothing become meaningless. Only regret persists. Add to that black void of no inputs or outputs and that is a horrible existence. Your "it's not that bad" is simply ridiculous.
If God exists, you are not totally removed from his presence right now. He sustains the universe (and you) in being by his will whether you know it or not. The point is that know one knows the significance that separation will have on someone's soul.
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(August 30, 2018 at 11:21 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: What's up with you saying every religious notion is delusional? Why can't we just be wrong?
There may well be religious notions that are not delusional, but they are few and far between and I can't think of one off the top of my head.
Being wrong and persisting in belief in spite of the error being pointed out is delusion. So, someone that has a religious belief that is able to learn and thereby reject it would simply be wrong. But that is rare.
For any of that 'God is a delusion' nonsense to be true, you would have to have proved beyond a reasonable doubt that God does not exists. There is not a person in the world that could even contemplate that task. So...good luck with that.
