RE: Who do you want to be the Democratic nominee in 2020?
September 11, 2018 at 3:11 pm
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2018 at 3:20 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 11, 2018 at 2:33 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: I doubt those white working class people in the midwest are 'racist pricks' just because they voted for Trump.So do I, they were racist pricks long before he came along to validate them, lol.
Quote:I think the best strategy would just to be honest, say "I didn't gain any advantage from saying I'm native american and nobody says that I did. I'm white and maybe cherokee or maybe not. It doesn't really matter."That's what she did. Even adding a bit about regretting that she was unaware, at least at the time, of the difference between heritage and citizenship.
What are facts, right?
Quote:I think that would probably be the best. That's not what she said though. She said that she prefers to believe her family over finding out the truth. We would verbally crucify a Theist on here for saying something like that. The problem with it is so obvious. It is just an error in thinking, in my opinion. The problem is that for some reason or another, it does matter to Elizabeth Warren that she's 1/8th Cherokee. So much so that she doesn't want to learn the truth. Or possibly she has learned that she's just a white lady already, and is hiding that. Could be possible. I've met lots of white people who identify with being a tiny bit Native and I don't think I've managed to not roll my eyes at a single one.Meh, I've long opined on my slightly different take on that. I respect people who plainly and simply lay out the case for their beliefs with frank self awareness..even if it's as simple as they want to believe it. It's not actually surprising to find that a girl from oklahoma embraces these stories, even less so that her family tells them.
Quote:I think it's within Elizabeth Warren's power to nullify this as an issue, but only if she doesn't care if it's true or not. We'll see. I doubt she'll be the nominee anyway.The issue isn't her native american heritage or whatever stories her family might have told. She's not in the drivers seat on this and it's silly to maintain that she is, imo.
Quote:Oh a side note, my father always told me we were part American Indian, which turned out not to be true. I didn't feel my identity crumble away around me. It really shouldn't change anything or even be an issue at all.My family has always tried to stay clear of that business..lest everyone in our little corner of america find out we wouldn't qualify for citizenship in the ethnostate by the one drop rule.
The whole cherokee princess bit is a running joke in the south. The mostly likely bit of native ancestry in otherwise european peoples, comes from poor southern whites whose families have been here a very long time...with hispanic, african.....and cooperative native exterminating natives...in their heritage (incidentally these are people highly unlikely to get sequenced though the data we already have shows a concentration). Oklahoma actually is a POI for that, fwiw. If it was going to be true anywhere, that's one of the places it would be. But...hey, why would it matter? She may or may not be one of the up to 12% of white americans in a defined region with some native heritage who are, regardless..completely ineligible for tribal citizenship and are receiving no benefits on the basis of what may or may not be in their genes...who go about their day to day lives doing all sorts of jobs no one seems to think they ought to go and get 23andme'd for.
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