On Hell and Forgiveness

[The Grand Nudger]

Why?  What are logical forms and means of inference if not a description of deterministic relationships between knowledge statements?

If, then.  If, and if, then, therefore.  If some x meets conditions a, and then meets condition b, then outcome c.  If not, then not outcome c.

What are you talking about? Logical forms are subject to the rules of logic--not nature. Gravity, conservation of energy, and weak nuclear forces have no effect on them. 

Irrelevant. You claimed that conscious reasoning seemed like the opposite of deterministic.

Is it?

Do we?

Can you demonstrate that, or..conversely, can you demonstrate that we do those things a fundamentally or meaningfully different way than a computer does some other thing?

Yes. We hold people responsible for their actions and we don't hold computer programs responsible.

If we couldn't identify which computer was responsible for some piece of work then we wouldn't know that this was your post, Steve.  If some computer does some terrible thing..we repair it, replace it, or destroy it. Amusingly, this is what we do with people who do the same. Look at the question above though.....

We act like we are fundamentally different within our mind and in relation to one another. That meaningful enough for you?

It was quite a bit short of what would be required. "We act like we're different"...well..no, not really, but even if we did act like we were different that wouldn't speak to us actually being different or doing things a different way. Not only did you fail to address the questions asked, you failed to present a meaningful difference in your irrelevant asides. There was nothing in your statements to support the claims I questioned, and I'm not sure that you even tried.