RE: Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?
September 14, 2018 at 12:12 am
(This post was last modified: September 14, 2018 at 12:35 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 13, 2018 at 11:59 pm)bennyboy Wrote:The white victimization narrative is a perfect example of the politics of divison. It's also demonstrably false. The left (pc or otherwise) is not discriminating against the white man on account of his whiteness. It is not taking the white mans rights away. It is not stigmitizing or denying the white mans pride on account of their whiteness. The white man is not being robbed of his esteem on account of his whiteness. The white man is ot being eliminated..nor are the people who oppose white supremacist ideology gulaging anyone or causing the destruction of western society.(September 13, 2018 at 11:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Even if I were a dirty, filthy racist...you would still be affirming the normalizing language of white supremacy. The one thing wouldn't modify alter or excuse the other. If that's not something you want to do, only you can stop it.Your whole view of "affirmation" is typical, but malformed. A single statement can be construed as affirming any number of positions or narratives. "I don't like you saying racist things about me just because I'm white" might mean I'm a white supremacist, and I'm trying to flip the script on the well-meaning PC who are just trying to look out for real victims in an oppressive culture.
OR could could mean that I do not like the politics of demographic division, in general-- and I'd very much like "no racism" to actually mean "no racism."
(You: Seeeeee!? In refusing to accept racism toward yourself, you are being racissssst!)
They are racists, Benny, bitching and pissing and moaning at there being consequences for freely engaging in their racism, in between bouts of complete fantasy. You've obviously been convinced that they are just so damned right (though when it comes to a black guy he's pulling the race card and the pc folks are fart sniffers). This is a testament to the effectiveness of their normalizing device, and your level of sympathy with their ideology...not it's factual accuracy.
Quote:PC is about controlling the things we can talk about, and in particular, which demographic groups should be seen as victims or as oppressors-- despite the intent or merit of individuals in either group.Only you can control what comes out of your mouth. PC is about avoiding the consequences of casual racism by making racist speech consequential. It's easy not to run afoul of the pc police. Just dont blurt out ethnic slurs and racial myths. You can manage that...I'm certain, even if you haven't done so well in this thread. If, however, you freely decide to freely run your mouth in a racist way..people will think you are a racist...and some of them..perish the thought..will tell you so. It can't really force people to stop blowing the whistle or going full on 14 words like a common tucker carlson...but it can help to ensure that they must be deeply invested in doing so, and willing to lose ad revenue on account of it. In politics (note the p in pc) that's immensely helpful..as a politician of a certain bent absolutely will do fucked up shit to people if it's consequence free to do so, or if they can hide behind a manufactured normalcy.
That's what has happened in the us. Do you understand that? What hasn't happened, in the US, is the communist apocalypse that bigots have been predicting for half a century as a way to deflect from the -other- silly shit that freely falls from their mouths and ends up as policy.
Quote:If you have a point you want to make, you can make it. If you want to EXCHANGE links, and read an equal number of papers that I will dump on you, then I'll do it. I've already demonstrated that I've read your papers on IQ-- by quoting them, or summarizing them.I'm not going to humor you as though there is any equality between our positions on this matter, or that there is any onus that I provide you with more information to ignore.
I know you will flounder around with some BS narrative rather than actually do the same amount of work you are asking me to do, but I will still give you the offer:
Are you willing to go 1:1? If yes, let's do it. We will go deeeeep down the rabbit hole, and come up with a strong understanding of both sides. If not, then you will have to conform to the ordinary standard-- make a point yourself, and when asserting facts, quote them and cite them properly.
You've indicated that facts are important to you. Well, okay, then address those facts that have already been conveyed to you and accept them for what they are, rather than what your white supremacist internet buddies have told you they must be? While we're at it..perhaps we can stop pretending that your browser history isn't a map of the alt right pipeline? If we can't even begin a discussion grounded in these facts..then all the above amounts to is a loon challenging people to debates in order to generate the appearance of credibility.
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