(September 16, 2018 at 4:11 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:(September 16, 2018 at 12:28 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: For everything there is a season. A time for war, and a time for peace.
I don’t think that this passage, is saying, that you have to be a pacifist in every situation. But that temperance is a virtue. I think that perhaps a more biblical outlook, might be, not to seek revenge, rather than total pacifism.
Okay. Fine. But what about someone who sees pacifism as one of the ways they obey Christ? Would you say they have the wrong idea? Or would you see a commitment to pacifism as something that is perfectly in line with Christ's teachings?
I think that pacifism is a bit of an extreme of ideology. That being said, it's certainly better than a view to the contrary. I can understand the pacifist idea, but I do think that it is wrong. There are certainly some views withing the teachings of the Bible that are compatible, but I don't see that being taught. For instance, in the passage that you cited, it's certainly friendly to the pacifist ideal. But it takes quite a bit of eisogesis (reading into the text) to get to pacifism from there (as well as ignoring somethings). I would ask the one pointing to this, 1) Where they a pacifist before? 2). Would they be willing to change their mind, if shown otherwise in the Scriptures and early Church history. So I think that there wrong, that reading into the text, rather than from it, but I have compassion, because I do think that their heart is in the right place (at least from one point of view).
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If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther