(September 21, 2011 at 7:07 pm)IATIA Wrote:(September 21, 2011 at 11:51 am)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: A beginning is necessary? Yet another positive claim, what if God does not have a cause? It would be the black duck that proves your statement wrong. Also due to the casimer effect there are particles coming into being that appear to have no cause.
Just because we do not know the cause, does not mean there is none. But, If it did appear with no cause, then so did the universe, no god.
if god is finite, then there is a beginning. If god is infinite, then so would thoughts and actions of this god and that is an impossibility as nothing, not even a god can traverse an infinity, even in thought.
This god's thoughts then must be finite and have a beginning which puts us back at what caused the first thought?
God is defined as being causless so there you have it. There is no way to positively disprove god through logic, much like you can't prove God through logic. Your argument is much like the theist's argument for God that nothing can come from nothing. You are, in fact, stateing that nothing can be without a beginning and applying it to God. You further go on to say that nothing can traverse infinity. So...
Substantiate your positive claims with evidence please.
