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Miracles and their place, and Atheists.
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Miracles and their place, and Atheists.
Somethings I and other Theists, we tend to forget but should keep in mind.

People with regards to truth are three:

1. Those who search it and strive for it, and will find it no matter what no matter where and when. (these are a very few).
2. Those who accept the truth when it's proven at a very high level and far reaching way.
3. Those who no matter what miracles or what proofs are offered, will never believe, and have chosen to reject God and his path no matter what.


Two can be a lot but always depends on how it goes. There been nations that have been guided, and nations who were of 3 and perished.

In Quran out of the towns mentioned in there, only the people of Yonus are an example of a guided nation.

Children of Israel came close, but started rejecting the successors of Moses and relied on scholars as authority and mixed their authority with the God given authority to his Prophets.

When it comes to miracles, we have to keep in mind, there is such thing as hidden beings and magic.

So when magic is acknowledged - a lot of people see despite the vast difference between that and a miracle, that the person is a magician.



Something to keep in mind:

It's possible most of the world will be category of two when Jesus returns to this world.

It's possible they will be of three.


What will determine that is not what Jesus or the Mahdi say,  but the cultural influence and what of good we have united on.


When people rejected the truth, it was usually out of envy or always out of that, and was rebellion to one another.


The flag holders of truth are often attacked the most harshly by humans and their blood becomes the least important, and the oppression them dismissed as hardly a matter to think about.


There is a place for harshness to talk against oppressors, and there is time even with oppressors to speak kind words and lenient soft words, like Moses was told to speak to Pharaoh in beginning.


What is clear, is the proof is hidden to a great extent. And while I don't agree this disproves God,  it does excuse people to disbelieve and succumb to their own deceptions.


The 12 Successors per traditions of Sunni were such that the religion would remain strong and the matter would be strong while they were there, but since the 12th has come but has become hidden, the truth is no longer apparent.

For Christians, no matter what you attribute the Church, it can't ever take the position of Moses or Jesus or Elijah or John, these people are fit to lead humans on path of enlightenment and no one is really fit but people chosen by God for the high leadership.

The point is miracles have their place and if they are hidden, we should keep that in mind, that people are more likely to get lost, and that their accounting is not upon us, and those who don't find the power in themselves or a means to the truth, ultimately, most likely, they will be forgiven.


Arguments no matter how true, because humans err in reasoning, can almost always be suspect to doubts.


Thus miracles have their place.


And today, if you believe in God, I believe it's rational to ask God to guide you to the guide and that the guide will prove to be a guide through miracles at the calibre of Moses/Jesus kind.

It's not only rational but perhaps the only way to achieve true guidance without error and only way to follow truth without falsehood.

Wishing you all peace.
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Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 11:43 am
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - September 30, 2018 at 11:48 am
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by purplepurpose - September 30, 2018 at 11:51 am
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 11:52 am
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by Pat Mustard - September 30, 2018 at 11:57 am
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 11:58 am
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by Pat Mustard - September 30, 2018 at 12:20 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by Whateverist - September 30, 2018 at 1:00 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by Gwaithmir - October 3, 2018 at 9:08 am
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - September 30, 2018 at 11:53 am
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by Brian37 - September 30, 2018 at 1:34 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by purplepurpose - September 30, 2018 at 1:44 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by Homeless Nutter - September 30, 2018 at 12:01 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by MysticKnight - September 30, 2018 at 12:21 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by Pat Mustard - September 30, 2018 at 12:27 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by LastPoet - September 30, 2018 at 1:07 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by Dr H - October 2, 2018 at 3:36 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by downbeatplumb - September 30, 2018 at 12:24 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by brewer - September 30, 2018 at 12:39 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by LastPoet - September 30, 2018 at 12:46 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by Angrboda - September 30, 2018 at 1:38 pm
RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by Brian37 - September 30, 2018 at 1:58 pm
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RE: Miracles and their place, and Atheists. - by Rahn127 - October 4, 2018 at 3:40 am
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