Peterson's 12 Rules for Life v2.0-- actual book discussion

[paulpablo]

Not only that, we get the best technology because a history of wealth and intellectual enlightenment has put us ahead.

Intellectual enlightenment is often an outcome of having wealth and living a life of luxury, rather than a cause.

The reason the dutch in South Africa established themselves as the local power was because they had a competitive advantage in every regard-- money, technology, communication, and so on.  Look at how the English would mow down entire fields full of Indians with their shiny new machine guns, and it's not hard to see how this privilege was arrived at.

Let's not forget they are also white.

And there's a problem with your idea.  There's already affirmative action in schools in the US.  What happens when you remove that artificial enforcement, and just let each kid apply on his or her own "merits and skills," and you find out that black people aren't proportionally represented?

If everything stays the same as it is now, of course black people wouldn't be proportionally represented in this overly simplistic scenario, and all because of such things as white privilege. The whole system needs change from bottom to top, not just impose an artificial enforcement (which, for now, is good enough nevertheless).

If you don't think it's instinct, then take a couple dozen kids in a room, and throw in about 100 red bouncy-balls and one green one.  Any guesses what's going to happen?  (hint: better have a first-aid kit ready)

Not sure. Could go any direction. Need to know more details.

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It's nowhere near as significant.  It's all to do with what other people value.  The amount of people who value race over wealth is statistically insignificant.  A rich white person can buy up property in black majority places in Africa (he might have the disadvantage of being more of a target to crime or some type of con)  Nigerians who are rich enough buy up high end value property in London.  And they will face consequences of not being a majority race in London.
I can't think of a disadvantage a non white rich person faces unless they don't have the other privilege Jordan Peterson spoke of which is important, majority privilege.  For white privilege to have any effect it needs to be because someone values whiteness as superior.  This might happen in African countries for black people to value whiteness over their own race but in those rare circumstances I suspect it goes back to the other privilege of them valuing wealth.  Or they might just be black and racist against their own kind.

Note the subtle readiness to blame black people for their misfortunes instead of acknowledging that these misfortunes occur partly because of the racist attitudes against them by white people.

Almost everything you said here is contradicted by reality.

Which bit is blaming black people and which bits specifically contradict reality?

Glancing over what I said there's no unique thing I said about black people that doesn't apply to white people.

The privilege of wealth benefits black people in a white majority location and vice versa.
White people will face consequences of not having majority privilege in a non white majority country and vice versa.