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My proofs for Islam
RE: My proofs for Islam
(November 18, 2018 at 10:26 am)MysticKnight Wrote: We know very well we have accurate selves or we would not love/value people or their actions. 

No, we don't, actually. You are convinced this is true, but unless your conviction is well justified, this becomes nothing more than an assertion which we can dissmiss even if it were to happen to be true by accident.

You believe many things, that we believe that love requires this, that dark forces are influencing us, that magic book is magic. Your believing these things means nothing until and unless you justify such beliefs in a rational and neutral way. It's been my experience that you are both loathe to do this as well as thoroughly incapable of doing so.

You have intuitions. Good! I have intuitions, too. They don't mean much until we can elucidate those intuitions through reason. Intuition is opaque and its logic and reason hidden from us. Thus we frequently end up being wrong in trusting it. Reason is transparent and open to inspection. It can be validated by inter-subjective experience, intuitions cannot. Reason is a reliable guide. Intuitions are not. As long as these beliefs of yours are based upon intuitions and sheer assertion, they aren't reliable and can be dismissed.

Many theists have the intuition that atheists really believe in God, that they are just in denial. Basing any kind of argument on such a premise would be folly even if it were to accidentally turn out to be true because an argument is only as good as the reasons behind it, and vague, fuzzy intuitions are some of the worst reasons you can think of. Your arguments fail to persuade, even if their premises and conclusions are true, because your arguments suck. And that's a you problem, not an us problem.
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My proofs for Islam - by MysticKnight - November 13, 2018 at 6:02 pm
RE: My proofs for Islam - by Minimalist - November 13, 2018 at 6:12 pm
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