My proofs for Islam

[Mystic]

If what you say about me is true Jo, than I hope God forgives me and changes me. If what you say is false and out of spite, I hope God forgives you and changes you.

It's not out of spite, I swear that on my mother's ashes.  Just ask Camoo or Gae Bolga if you don't believe me.

It doesn't matter.  When you know God exists, only his perception of who you are matters. Judging by what people think of you will let chaotic winds break you apart.  I judge by Quran and Ahlulbayt, by the light brought down by God. 

Whatever I fail in that regard, I hope God forgives me, and whatever I accomplish and achieve in that regard, I hope through intercession of Muhamad and his family, that I be rewarded greatly, beyond what I deserve.

I don't care what you think of me for my own sake Jo, but only that, I am concerned by that you become further lost in your confusion.

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They create meaning but with belief that there is an objective value to who they are.  Take away that belief, and nothing is left.

It may or may not be properly basic, belief that we have an objective value and reality, I am not sure. I will have to reflect if it can be reduced.

It's like asking "Why love?" - well love itself knows the answer, and nothing else but love can justify it.

I will reflect and get back to you if it can be reduced further or all we can do is appeal to facts we know we don't believe and hence show we believe we have objective value by contradiction or reductio absurdum.

I am not going any further in the discussion with you until you address my content below.  

For the umpteenth time,I agree with you. Now, your job is demonstrate how you have logically ruled this possibility [that we have no objective, true self] out.  “I don’t like the thought of it” is not ruling it out using reason and evidence.  “I just know we have a true self” is not using reason and evidence to support that assertion’s truth.

You haven’t earned the the right to go a step further in your argument until you address these two issues.  Stop trying to wiggle out of defending your assertions.

I am saying it perhaps is properly basic and all we can do is appeal to other proper basic facts that would contradict it. 

In fact, it seems the case knowing who you are, has to be properly basic vision. To know you objectively have an exact measured reality, perhaps, that cannot be reduced beyond a properly basic observation.