(December 1, 2018 at 11:05 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: (1) Arguments aren't evidence. Can you imagine a murder trial where the prosecution failed to demonstrate that anybody had been killed?
Some things are proved through logic, and some things are proved through evidence.
Just because murder trials are proved (in large part) through evidence, doesn't mean that logical syllogisms work the same way.
Although in fact, simple logic will be used throughout a murder trial.
~ A man can not be in two places at the same time.
~ The suspect was in Chicago and the murder was in New York.
~ Therefore, the suspect is innocent.
It's so simple it may not even look like logic, but without logic we wouldn't have the correct conclusion.
Quote:(2) I'll entertain an argument from First Cause as soon as somebody can show me how a cause can exist without space-time.
The First Cause argument is intended to address whether space-time can exist without a cause. People who are persuaded by the argument think that space-time requires a cause.
To counter this, we first have to know accurately what the argument consists of.
All I've been saying on this thread is that the Aristotelian/Thomist argument addresses an essential sequence, not a temporal one.
