(December 10, 2018 at 12:18 pm)Cepheus Ace Wrote:(December 10, 2018 at 7:59 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: What caused the quantum fluctuation? Unless you can prove the source, stop making nonsensical hocus pocus claims. Even if you can prove on a small scale, you can't prove it on a mass scale. If you can't prove it on a small scale, then how the heck are you going to suggest that it was a large scale anomaly? Why aren't we observing these large scale anomalies today? If what you said is true, then you should be able to demonstrate steps 1-6 and claim your noble prize for creating a universe, even if it's smaller than ours. Even the journals suggesting these "quantum fluctuations" are saying they are "indirect" by testing them against light waves. Since this report in 2015, there have been additional studies showing the properties of light. I believe it was at MIT they made some observations that what demonstrated that light can travel much faster than we thought possible. I'll have to look for the study here in a bit when I get on my other computer. Anyway, we can make assumptions, and we can even form a hypothesis and try to test those assumptions but indirect observations don't equate to large scale observations, so even if you could observe you are still leaps away from it happening, especially in regard to energy and matter. It may very well be that there was a source for those fluctuations and that they weren't quite what we thought.
so you demand proof fo quantum fluctuations then claiming that it must have a cause..... while holding the position that a god without a cause is running amok creating universes willy nilly even though you have zero evidence for it... double standards much?
Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu guoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.
As far as your comment, I never made such a claim. Nice try though. If you believe a large scale anomaly occurred, then you need to demonstrate it. Not just suggest that light revealed something so that it must have been how a universe filled with large amounts of mass and energy suddenly popped out of nowhere. From it came lions, tigers, and bears...Oh my! But even if I did suggest something else and you were able to refute it, it still doesn't validate any claims you've fabricated. You would need to demonstrate those independently.
Your hocus pocus fairy tales aren't any better than the next fairy tale.
