(December 21, 2018 at 1:47 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:(December 21, 2018 at 12:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Only GOP and Trump supporters ignore what your government is. Back when Jr attacked Iraq tons of sane people consistently pointed out the fact that the majority of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
Now having said that, don't leave out the fact that the Royals basically told Bin Laden they didn't want his help and he was basically an outcast.
And even today, the sane are pointing out the fact our shitty president is ignoring our intel stating the truth that there is no way the Prince could not have known.
Now, my question to you is what would you want done? Now, if America were to attack and destroy the Royal leadership, it would be yet another war, and since you live there, that could make you a potential victim of such an invasion.
I hate your government as much as I hate Trump being in office. Please stop assuming that everyone in the west thinks the same way. I don't assume all Saudi citizens love what they are living under either.
In my perfect world, we could go in, remove your leadership, and put in an open and free society. In my perfect world I'd have the orange jackass removed this second. Unfortunately in reality, life isn't as simple as the wishful thinking.
So again, what would you do for Saudi Arabia if you could? What would you want America to do?
There is a list of demands.
1) Stop giving weapons to Saudi Arabia -even for money-.
2) Stop training Saudi soldiers
3) Cut any ties with the terrorist government and close the U.S embassy in there
4) Stop acting like the backbone of the Saudi military and jump to defend it like the U.S did against Iraq
5) Stop supplying Saudies with coordinates to bomb in Yemen
6) Sanctions. Or are they only valid against Iran and North Korea??
Then we can extend the list even more. But it will be full of "stop doing this" and "stop doing that".
Point is, without the U.S, the Saudi Arabian regime wouldn't have lasted for a single day.
When America support this dictatorship, it is falling like a sharp blade on every free Arab living there. Wealthy Saudi royals brag about the "American protection" their asses get, and always got since WW2.
The American support for Saudi Arabia burned a whole country -Yemen-, and burned another before -Iraq-, and burned a whole population living under the filthy monarchs of the Sauds.
Knowing is not the answer; where are the actions? where are the acts of the people "who know the truth"? but truth be told: so many Americans did not start to pay attention until Trump came and they tasted a tiny bit of their own medicine.
Look Brian; I just want to say that we are born and raised under regimes that cut you with bonesaws in broad day light, governments that kill and torture daily, and the U.S is playing a crucial role in keeping this sick cycle turning, my basic "list of 6" up in the post is just a first step if you were ever serious about what you say. No; the U.S just wants to walk allover people here if it proved to work for the interest of the assholes ruling it. Oligarchs, MIC, whatever. A good empire would sound so different than the U.S
And your choices if we meet those demands are for the government you hate to fall within, and hope what arises out of it, isn't worse than what you topple. Or we invade you. Either way you living there could be a victim.
I don't have any easy solutions myself. I hate your government as much as I hate Trump. The thought of you dying in a civil war, or even surviving only to have something worse arise out of the ashes frightens me. I was appalled by Trump equating our relationship to a financial transaction regardless.
You are worth more to me, than your rulers or Trump. But in a world full of nukes and knowing your country and mine have or have friends with them, the fact remains that all global diplomacy still depends on the acceptance of mutual destruction, because there will be no winners if we have a global nuclear war.
