How to discuss religion with believers?

[Drich]

I'll condense my answer or it will fill the entire thread:
1) You are comparing evidence in a court trial vs evidence in science.

and you are trying to minimize it. Evidence found in court determines the immediate state of a life. where it is incarcerated or not where or not it is imprisoned for life where or not a life is to be taken. in what field of science demands a life of the scientist if the scientist is wrong? Yes some scientist pay with their lives testing false or wrong hypothesis, but I am talking millions of lives each and every day are determined by a system of eyewitness evidence you are trying to desperately trivialize and dismiss.

Eye witness testimony takes on far greater weight than you are prepared to acknowledge. Our whole society is based what collaborative eye witnesses agree upon. here with Christianity the testimony is not the only thing being presented either.the testimony is simply a personal guarantee that what one experienced is also waiting for you.

Do I need to go further?

Can you? To undermine the testimony of the eye witness is to undermine the whole criminal justice system. So seriously can you go further without over turning every single case where Eye witness testimony was the key to a conviction?

The former is obviously limited as often times you are trying to prove the unprovable, the latter is not confirmed for years until unequivocal proof is shown.

I see that you tried to go further but you statement if evidence that you can not. It seems you do not even understand how the criminal justice system work let alone science. neither work on the idea of unequivocal proof. Science is all about the best peer review theory and criminal justice is looking for proof beyond a reasonable doubt. 2000 years of people claiming basically the same thing is a little beyond a reasonable doubt.

Also, some judges may be corrupt and decide a sentence to their liking and you can't help it.

If if and buts where candy and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas!!! The judge here is you sport. are you corrupt? are you so in the bag for science you mind will not allow you to judge a eye witness fairly? if so the no evidence scientific or not will allow you to open your mind to God. Here is a test. If you are looking for evidence for God truly, then please describe what would be enough for you. evidence in what form? what would you have to do or see to be satisfied?

They respond to different criteria. In science, even if you wanted to make something false pass as truth, nature will eventually show you otherwise. The same cannot be said in a court.

the only truth in science is truth is whatever the collective says it is. In court I would like to say we get it right the vast majority of the time. How can I say this? because I've spent time in jail and been to a prison for a 'visit.' Neither place is filled with nice people. or people who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, everyone there will get over on you if they can!

So like it or not it seem that the criminal justice systems and it's burden of proof works far better than you are willing to admit.

2) There is no objectivity in what you said, this is why it was disqualified.

that's not true, lest you are defining objectivity differently.
So define objectivity.

3) About biblical answers to questions and evolution and 7 day creation, that logic is backwards. "You can't disprove my god while my god can give you all the answers". Pretty much

No, the seven creation thing simply requalifies creation as a viable non conflicting addition to anything evolution demands. It simply allows believers to hold on to their faith without have to sacrifice any scientific belief that maybe required of them.

4) About the mustard seed of faith, how is that exactly a unit of measure? Are we comparing size? Mass? You know that if you were referring to eg energy, then a mustard seed would be equal to a fuckton of nuclear energy (E = mc2)?

Dude, how big is a mustard seed? aagain it seems as if you missed it or ignored what I said, it is the faith required to simply follow the directions Christ left in an effort to find God. you basically have to be willing to Ask Seek and knock God's way and not your own.

5) Ask, Seek, Knock is your recursive answer. You said I did it on my terms and it didn't work. Then what are his terms?

Again found in luke 11 this time I will post it:
5-6 Then Jesus said to them, “Suppose one of you went to your friend’s house very late at night and said to him, ‘A friend of mine has come into town to visit me. But I have nothing for him to eat. Please give me three loaves of bread.’ 7 Your friend inside the house answers, ‘Go away! Don’t bother me! The door is already locked. My children and I are in bed. I cannot get up and give you the bread now.’ 8 I tell you, maybe friendship is not enough to make him get up to give you the bread. But he will surely get up to give you what you need if you continue to ask. 9 So I tell you, continue to ask, and God will give to you. Continue to search, and you will find. Continue to knock, and the door will open for you. 10 Yes, whoever continues to ask will receive. Whoever continues to look will find. And whoever continues to knock will have the door opened for them. 11 Do any of you have a son? What would you do if your son asked you for a fish? Would any father give him a snake? 12 Or, if he asked for an egg, would you give him a scorpion? Of course not! 13 Even you who are bad know how to give good things to your children. So surely your heavenly Father knows how to give the Holy Spirit to the people who ask him.”

The Holy Spirit is God... What more proof of God does one need than to be sat in front of God? to as God a question and receive an answer to pray and effect change to have that "capacity switch" turn on. To see and hear things you could not before to have access to Him and his wisdom. then to put it all to use and it all turn out to work and be true.

6) About my uncle: you say that I have a lock on what is eternal and what is not. How do you even know that? And no, his contentment is not offensive. Anyone is free to do what they want with their life.

Not sure what this is in reference to.

7) About your dream/revelation: how do you know it wasn't just a dream? I've done all sort of things to summon god, even insulted him, bashed on him, tried to befriend satan to spite him and never had such nightmare. Never ever dreamed about some god entity in 30 years despite putting a lot of work in it (and if you don't know, dreams are a reflection of our subconscious, so you'd expect me to dream about it at some point but nein). 

It was a dream! Which is consistant with how the NT says God will communicate with us in the last days. (Dreams and visions.) This was a dream because I went to bed and woke up in the same bed!

Is your question how do I know my dream actually depicts truth? Because of hell. I knew nothing of it besides what movies and TV told us about it most of which parallels the works of Dante' which is a multi layer place where there is a big red satan with a pitch fork and rules hell and torments people in hell. which is nothing like the bible describes or what I felt and witnessed. My dream of hell was biblically accurate before I knew what the bible had to say about hell.

8) About master&servant: if God was anything like the queen or Obama, first of all he would be factual, he would physically exist in this perceived reality.

And i am telling you for those who know the Holy Spirit there is no difference. God is a real just as Obama is real just like the queen is real.

The queen and Obama may ignore me, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I can see them, if I wanted I could shake hands. Can you say the same for mr God?

I told you I did as much!

9) About science/god/batman: my view of science could be easily equated to most definitions of God laid out there by the many theists. The only difference being that my "god/science" is not merciful/caring/nice but is just neutral and doesn't give a shit. What puzzles me is that theists are convinced that "god/science" is nice and caring and loving.

No where in the Holy Bible does it say God is omnibenevolent (All nice all merciful all loving.) that's a religious teaching based on john 3:16.. Where God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whom ever believes shall not perish in hell but have eternal life. but did you see what those people missed? God's agape' love is reserved, it is conditional for those who believe.. those who don't can literally go to hell as far as God is concerned.

So then why would we show any greater concern for those who elect hell and non service when we all elect to serve?

10) At this point I think you don't even know what infinite means. You've used that term many times in the wrong context. Technically PI is infinite too yet it is finite. An irrational number is infinite as there are many figures after the point, but it's still finite and you can use it in calculations without problems. The assumption of the universe being infinite doesn't stop us from understanding it, so why should god, who is also supposedly infinite, stop us from understanding him/it/her? It's like a self-imposed limitation on your side. Be brave.

I did not say you had to stop understanding God. I said if you live you whole life learning as much as you could everyday, you would run out of life before you ran out of God to understand. So for you to presume one could have all the answers is foolish. that said, when one is bonded with the Holy SPirit While we may not have the answers, He does. That is why I am here is to learn more as you all ask questions I would never think to ask in turn I learn more about God. Again the whole assimilation of evolution into creation was all God based on a series of questions one of you asked. I was personally happy with I can see how both ways worked and was happy to say IDK and then someone asked well how would both ways work and it was like i was up loaded everything I needed to know, first shot. I just started writing and had to put the paragraphs in order as I was getting them from every which direction.

11) Following on the above point, if science discovered God why would we be the masters?

what is the scientific method. Experimentation and duplication of the results. Meaning we would have to be able to plug in a certain set of parameters and that would demand God kick out a specific response. basically having God on demand. IE I rub a lamp 3 times and a god pops out and he grants me wishes for the good deeds I do. Or if I pray xyz God will give me 123. When in fact In the statement I am the alpha and omega the beginning and the end demands God's character be his own, as such he demanded we approached with A/S/K not the scientific method. If we can obtain God through our method then we are the begnning and end and his word means very little. So when I say you hide and look for God the one place he can never be found.. you literally are looking for Godin the place where if he was found you would have control over him!

If I lived in a tyrannical regime and found out what's the tyrant's name and where he lives, it still wouldn't change that I have to serve him or I get slashed. But let's make the opposite example too: why would God require to be superior in order to seek us out? It sounds like a child play "I will play with you only if I get to be the king!". Speak about lowering to our level....

because he is superior in every way. because we are slaves petitioning to become sons. because we can not take anything God does not give freely.

12) If God used man made technology to solve these problems, then indeed there is no need for a God.[/quote] are you so foolish to think all answers will have a technological answer? I see technology as double edged sword that would kill the sword holder as fast as anyone we would use this blade against. AI is a scarry example that most have come to accept, our SCI-Fi is littered with precautionary tales of the creation of man over throwing it's masters.

You are just equating God to humans here. Being above man would mean he can push it further, yet he doesn't. If you know he can do more, then would you mind specifying what exactly he can do more?

Hell no. once you receive the Spirit you learn fast Everything has a cost. the more 'god does' the more inept you become, the dependant you are. Granted I am as far into life as I want to be and be this dependant o anyone or thing. I owe so much to God I already feel I could never pay him back and I feel the debt compounds daily, so no I would not want anything more than what it takes to keep all my plates spinning. To closer you are to God the less you ask for in prayer. I even hesitate to ask for others outside of general stuff.

Or so far there is 0 evidence of the greater feats he did, meaning that so far he didn't do anything that couldn't be brought back to simple man.

Until he begins to work in your life if you let him. if you do then you will quickly come to understand there is nothing you can do to support where he takes you, and that all you are is not your own and you are a steward of this life.

And to answer your question: if I were God, I wouldn't create anything at all.

good thing you are not god.

13) Ah, so it's not years of studying and practice that let you do operations, it's the hand of God. Sure, and what when doctors make a mistake? God was having a coffee?

again why is death a bad thing? why is a mistake a bad non godly gift?

Has it never crossed your mind that it was your fingers and mind alone that created those two patents? Why must it be some untangible mystical entity? 

I was literally outside watching myself as this all happened. I saw components in my mind and I quickly drew out their electrical symbol on the page in relation to one another and then with a ruler connected all the lines with different color pens representing various voltage changes. again something these guys could not do in 6 months of collaboration. It is hard to explain this stuff did not orginate with me it was like it was beamed in and I did everything I could to keep up with the pictures.. I was 100% drawing watchingmy self draw to make sure I did not make any mistakes.

Again when it is you, you know where your limitations are and you know what is not you yet it pours in at your limitations. You know when you are just able to figure stuff out, it's another to pull specs and electrical components out of a 3000 page catalog and put them together in such away on a weekend to work without having the facilities to test. again I tested everything for the first time that monday morning early in front of everyone. I had one chaperone who literally watch me and one of my guys put all of this together in a weekend and then off to the factory to proove it all worked! Then following few day optimized and went from 4 hour run time to just under 12. This sold 4 test units which I went to NYC to install personally it took a week and 1/2 then they ran 2 years and 25 more were bought at which point I was made an offer I could not refuse (in a good way) after that I broke ties and went a new direction. which I am now selling a third (non patented)/too similar to what already exists.. I took a base model industry standard truck and 'optimized' the commercial delivery capabilities and now sell them as a manufacturer/commercial and retail car truck dealer.

Again, the complexity of all of these working parts is well beyond anything I can do myself. What's more no one who works for me is a specialist in anything they do. I simply taught everyone their little part or got someone who could. All my people are second chance people most struggled with diplomas all have criminal records. Again, one or two things go right yes quicidence. but for things to go right in realistically 4 different businesses under two roofs you need a team of highly trained and qualified professionals or you Need God pulling the strings. Maximising profitability and minimizing loss protecting us from 1,000,000 pit falls everyday. We get what we need exactly when we need it everyday. we don't run on huge surpluses we have just enough, and when we need more we get more and when things fall off we us up what we saved. It's like manna from heaven we get just enough to take care of what we need to daily. This to me is great. most people can't operate like this let alone expand. again we have been serving this way almost 20 years now and lord willing I can finish out doing this as it allows me time to work with you all.

14) About my auntie, you overlooked a particular: she was suffering during that period. If death just came all of a sudden, then I'd agree with you. Even in my case, if I suddenly had a stroke and died, I'd be fine with that. What's better way to die? But if prior to death I had to suffer for 10-15y and take medicines nonstop, is it still so nice? Sure, death would still be an end to the suffering, but should we consider the 10-15y of suffering as a reward too? Or let's just overlook this particular because it's not convenient? The logic you are using here could be used to also justify the exact opposite of what you are saying in every case.

in this case her suffering wasn't for her it was for you. it was for you to test your house of faith you built on the sand to see if it would stand. it was for you to call out to your idea of God and see if he were real enough to help your aunt. It turns out he wasn't and you learned that if you continued to follow your path, believing in your false (built on sand) version of faith and God it would have cost you hell. Now in part to her suffering you know your idea of God is wrong in part you thought God was all merciful your god was all kind your false god was all caring, sounds good, but today you found out the God of the bible can be a little dickish, when it comes to your understanding of compassion and suffering. Now you have found some truth you can begin to sink a foundation, so if you build your nex house of faith you know not to look for God to provide you with the easy life you want for yourself or others.

15) About you standing before God in judgement, I guess it still refers to that dream? 

I dream that plays more real in my mind than my wedding day.

16) If you were a retard as you say and it was God's intervention to have made you the successful man you are today, why doesn't this happen to other people in your same situation?

It does. but stories like this are dismissed all the time. they assign a scientific term to the guy and assume God can not work through that term. Or like you they blame the schools for leaving a smart person behind. or they say he was a late bloomer or he is a liar or it is all just good luck. I have heard it all, but the truth is I don't play the lottery any more (Unless it's 1/2 a billion or more) as I far rather see how God full fills the second half of his promise to me.

If it was a reproducible phenomenon, then it would be worth investigating it, but if it's an isolated case, isn't it easier to justify with coincidence or simply with the fact that you aren't a retard as you believe? It somehow feels forced to bring in godlike entities to justify your life success. So ye, it boils down to what you think it's more likely: magical being making you successful or you making the right choices at the right times.

what I am telling you is that they have investigated this over and over and found a word or a series of scientific words to explain us and again wrongfully assume God can not work through these terms. like high functioning autism or asperger's or misdiagnosised as a child or any number of other things. anything but God. look I know me I know my limts and still struggle with them daily. Here's the proof in it all. I am not a one off. God is not holding me in any special regard. What he has done for me he has promised for the rest of you a-holes.
All one need do is A/S/K on his terms and not your own

What a bold statement. That sentence alone helps me better understand all your responses so far. 
1) YOU are putting limitations on yourself on your own. 

I have placed no limits on my ability to anything otherwise I would not be here. However when you walk on a job and can read the manuals, your boss tends to limit your progression in the company.

2) Society does not decide anything. 

that's because you have not have any scholastic limitations placed on ou by soceity. you have never been refused a job you have never been segregated in class as a child you where not ever made to wear a special badge to help track your whereabouts in school/help you get to class.
3) you have never been excluded because of skin color or the language you spoke.

3) Just look at yourself alone, as if you were an hermit: what are your limitations?

Again because of my current station in life kinda invalidates your assessment of personal limitations. I have always been willing to do anything, but my situation limited me on when and where. it was not till God came into my life allowed me to follow whatever path he had for me.

Example pre gad highest paying job 4.25 per hour cleaning up shops after mechanics, at a dealer ship. other wise day laborer picked oranges did duct work in an attic works at paint and body sanding panels (could not do that right lasted 2 weeks) workat at tire store organizing tire dumpster. After God:94ish got job in refrigeration business (no experience what so ever) in one year went from min wage to 10.00 per hour, second year moved to flate rate made 40K 3 year was hired on by competitor for 28.00 an hour lasted a year went into business my self the first time with a partner failed. after 9 months. went back to first refrigeration job under condition was given my own service truck and route. worked there in that spot till 2001 about 4 years made between 75 and 90K paid off my first company debt bought my first home and a new truck dirt bake and jet ski, was all mortgaged up then was told the owners son wanted my job. We where the same age and he figured if I could do it... So I packed it all up and went back to competitor I worked for before and he was also quitting said he was opening his own company, he said work for me for 2 years and I will make you a 50% partner. I did two years came and went he gave us a two paid vacation in some ski resort and then disappeared for a whole month. no pay no invoices nothing going out worked till the credit cards stopped, then he came back next day would not give me any clue as to what happened then a month later did it again for two weeks.. Was approached by the man who put me in business for myself and the rest is history.

Again my limits are not my own if they were I would not have taken the opportunities when presented.

I 100% disagree with what you said in that post, but it is a subjective point of view.

18) I read the entire thread where you narrate your story (including the star trek jokes). It is quite a tale, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt that it really happened as you described, however that in my book is still not conclusive demonstration of god's existence. Assuming it all played out like you said it did, it sounds more like a con artist tale than a meeting with an angel. Why do I think like that? Let's play pretend:

Again, This is my telling, doubting thomas need and got to put his hands in the wounds of Christ. That's the whole point to my telling of my story is to relay to you that God is willing to do the same type of thing for me as he is willing to do for you. Now Imagine how much doubt I have after living though all of that. which is why it is Said He is willing to cast a mountain of doubt into the ocean if you can simply generate a mustardseeds worth of faith. again we expend more faith in global warming than what is needed for God to work a life as he has mine.

Let's pretend that I am a hobo who needs to move from A to C by passing through B. I scout the nearby 7/11 for some potential "investor", and I make up a story of needing a ride to B while putting in some god's stuff argument. If the interlocutor does not fall for it, I move on to the next target. Let's say I finally get someone whose lifestory resonates with my con story: how is that someone supposed to know that I am a con and not an angel? I know I'm not an angel, I tell him I am and he believes it. Depending on how much I ask him, I may have ruined or messed up that man's life and he'll believe it was God. 
What differentiate that someone from you? How do you tell one from the other? 

If you read the OP of that story I make the point you just made in that it is not about where the angel came from as it is more about the origins of the message and of they ring true or not. You are focused on the material man to determine authenticity when in truth a messenger is nothing without the message. let's say you met the angel that told marry she was going to have Jesus.. real deal guy. for you there is no doubt who this fella is, but he has nothing to say to you. now let put you in front of your computer at home in your current situation bang out doubt insulsts and the like.. then you come across one of GC posts that while you dismiss cuts you to your quick, you know what is being said may be a generic quip for GC but speaks to you directly to the point you almost feel bad or a conviction as if God were indeed calling you. I ask you now who is the angel who is the messenger God sent? The guy who spoke to marry or the guy who deep down has pierced your heart in some way?

At the time my idea of angels were not dirty homeless black men. but the message rang 100% true, the fact I spoke to in in thought shook me to no end, the fact he recited special prayers I prayed in secrete shook me to my core, the very wrds I used to pray for me and another person almost had me stop driving. this man not only pierced my heart with out a word of who I was or what I was about He knew me eve if I could not fully recognise him today

19) About your promises, before you said that your success in this reality wasn't the real reward and that you actually had to deal with hardships anyway (heroin addiction of your wife). So what gives? If you are successful it is god keeping his promises, but if you have to endure other hardships then it's because this is not the real reward? Sorry, but it sounds like you are trying to justify everything depending on how it is more convenient depending on the situation.

again not rewards, but service and responsibility. yes at this/my level I live better than I did but is not a worker worth his pay? Is your pay check a reward? My station is how I am being compensated here. and what I do with this compensation determines if I proceed on to more or if what I have is cut back.

20) If my happiness was bound to live in misery without arms/legs, I'd rather be "unhappy".

but why do you assume you would be miserable without arms and legs? if you find happiness you ought to seek it regardless what form it takes.

21) Oh oh

again from the god library.. Our brains are not central processors or independant units. meaning our brains are not the self contain computers we have been taught them to be. our brains are transmitter/receivers. the signals we can monitor are sent and receive from the "cloud" for the lack of a better term.. Maybe matrix would be a better term. In that we are a consciousness that resides in a different dimension that what we see live and experience day to day, we inhabit these bodies as avitar/they are our host. The body consists of a spirit and strength stength being a physical form, and spirit being basic cognitive and primal reactions. our soul is what makes us, us it is our higher reasoning and our consciousness at large this is what resides in the 'cloud' or heavenly dimension. so when we die. our link to the cloud in constantly being updated till we die or till this host body dies, and we wake up from the matrix, and ushered into judgement. As we are "absent from the body and present with the Lord." 

This is how I pictured it long ago. I was active in another forum back then https://www.psychforums.com/depersonaliz...ml#p916802 , and this was the sketch I drew: https://imgur.com/GcQxzCj
However, this was just an intuition of mine, my own speculation of how it felt like. You can read more about this view of mine on that link I provided. Just to avoid misunderstanding, the "god" I'm referring to in that picture is not the christian god or some other renown god. It's more like I was classifying myself as god. 

22) If the hell you describe is the emptiness where Christ/god doesn't love you, then I think I can survive that. [/quote] did you miss the bit about being consumed by Hell fire? did you miss the part where it illicites the same response as if being burned? that eventually it consumes the soul or at least the part that holds together out sanity?

I've lived my life by learning from my own experiences AND from other's experiences. I learnt that bonding with your fellow human constitutes a weakness and may hurt in the long run and so I practiced to live happily without anyone's love.

the loss of God love only begets a deep regret. it is not the sum total of the hell experience.

Even if tomorrow humanity disappeared and I was the last man standing, I would find something to occupy my time with. Linking back to point 21, this is what makes me feel invincible in this world. In psychology, this is also appointed as dissociation/depersonalization.

till your eye glasses broke..

23) So our purpose is that of being slaves?

more or less. in those days inorder to marry in or become a member of the famly you wrkes first as a slave. same kinda of thing here. We are saved from sin which makes us members or citizens f heaven, but the great reward comes if you serve and become a son of God.

24) So he created us, dropped us in a big world and made us "filter" ourselves so only the elite could go back to the garden. Again, why go through the trouble? [/quote] so we would know why we are where we are and forever after not be tempted by the idea of sin. as in this life we know of the pain and suffering it causes.

Why create adam in the first place?

same above,

Couldn't he have stayed put and just rest in his garden? It feels like he was bored and decided to create a big number of humans and test them so to see who would be worthy enough to keep in the shelf (garden) and who to leave in the dumpster (earth). What kind of game is that? It sounds like Saw movies.

Those outside the garden were not ever have said to been created with a soul. Adam and his decendants were created/born with souls.

25) There is a lot of misinterpretation below, so I'll have to quote it directly:

again the only faith needed Jesus estimates is as small as a mustard seed meaning all you need is the smallest amount to honestly seek out the truth and follow God where he leads. if you can do this one thing He/God promises to literally move mountains of doubt out of your way. This Christ promises to all of us not just me. What other guarantee do you need? what about the guarantee of mini ice age of the 70s and 80s? or in the late 90's global warming or now global climate change, or the guarantee of a hole in the ozone that has been sealed up before our bans on cfc was in full effect? or what about the guarantee of the 1980 that if you ate from the nutritional pyramid you'd live a long and healthy life? (Now the pyramid is the exact opposite) To believe in any of this takes a measure of faith. why because there in lies an unknown or at the very least a unaccountable variable that can indeed falsify every single claim. So then if all things being equal what more faith is required to earnestly seek out the truth in God verse the truth in say the mini ice age? or a hole in the ozone or whatever new the sky is falling 'science' that a tax or a change in product consumption will save is all?

1) Global warming has always been a thing since the beginning of times. It's not something that started only recently. Earth is NATURALLY warming up for 2 reasons: the sun getting bigger and therefore getting closer to the earth and the amount of greenhouse pollutants (namely CO2) increasing since forever. Did you know that most of CO2 emissions come from natural sources, such as decomposition of organic bodies and vulcans? Yeah, vulcans spreading their lava and burning km2 of forests produces a huge deal of CO2. Humans surely don't help with their activities, but again keep in mind that earth is naturally warming up on its own.
2) The hole in the ozone is not an actual "hole" that has to be "sealed". Please again, there seems to be a lot of misinformation on your side about the sciency side of things. The hole refers to the layer of ozone getting thinner, not getting actually pierced. That would be equal to have a high powered laser cutting on earth as it spins, it would be devastating lol.
If this was your interpretation of these "prophecies", then I'm only getting further from believing it. Society does speculate on these things, but first of all they are natural phenomenons that have always been at play. Men did worsen the situation, but it was always there.

26) All of the responses that follow after are pretty much based on your personal experience and your view of it. A self fulfilled prophecy for some, or the actual truth of god's existence. As it is a subjective experience, we don't have much say in it. You pretty much see his messages where you feel it, as it is to be expected after feeling changed by this experience. The other response about following god on his terms was already asked before.

27) About morality and pain, what are you even talking about? Pain is a physical signal from your body telling you that engaging in that painful activity may compromise the functionality of the pained limb/organ. Why don't you keep your hand on fire? It hurts. You don't want it and you'll try to avoid it at all costs. Why do you go to the dentist? It's going to hurt, does it make the dentist immoral? Does it make you immoral? No, you do it to avoid further pain in the future by enduring a little pain now. All in all humans try to minimize pain in their life. It's how we are physically coded in this perceived reality. It has nothing to do with abstract concepts such as morality.

Pain in itself does not have any value from a nihilist point of view. It is there, it hurts, but it's irrelevant whether it hurts or not. That's the nihilistic take. If you say that your god shares the same view, then that would make your god nihilistic too. Would that be a positive or negative thing? Answer: it wouldn't matter, as nothing really does.

After that you go on about humanity and society evolution throughout time and I don't see God's hand in all of this. To me you are just praising humans for their ability to grow. So ye, ok. 

So here is exactly what I meant about faith in science and how it takes less faith for belief in God.,, Now to you since 2018 the hole narritive has taken a sharp change in that now there was never a hole. when in 85 when the were selling the taxes that would save us there was a definate hole.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...eclining1/

28) Why do you need God? Many people do well without believing in it. Are those happy unbelievers the absolute worst for not needing God? And what about those people who believe and find solace in another god such as Allah or Buddha? Again, let's try to look at the whole picture here, let's take into account everyone. 

Honestly this is a bull site question. you start out by asking why do you need god then want me to give you an answer that takes into everyone into account. I need God because of everything he has done for me. I would be nothing without him and again for that one moment I knew what His love means and I want nothing more than to return to the al encompassing love.

29) How do I take his money? Will some guy offer me money tomorrow?

idk..

30) 

He gives each according to his ablity which is the heart of fairness.

This is pretty much the law of the fittest. I agree with the view that people who can give more do deserve more, but my view doesn't include any godlike entity in this.

don't matter how you identify it, Christ himself says God works this way.

31) To answer your simulation about the crackhead brother: from my point of view, it would have been fair to give both the same amount and then see the responsible brother raise up and be successful and the crackhead to fall down. I'm inclined to think that we deserve what we get. 

then you would be most likely responsible to see the crack head die inside of a week of a overdose.

32) What do you mean with "we lack the authority to do what we want"?

to be God to be the ultimate say of what is mral and what is not.

33) About Christ's judgement: what criteria does he use to judge us? 

the law, if you are not save and whether or not you have accepted the atonement offered.

34) The amount of literature that is required to learn all the gospel is titanic. Do I really need to take a theological university course for it? That sounds insane.

tell that to the illiterate who just magical began to pick it up.. As it says in scripture you do not need a teacher as the very one (the holy Spirit) who wrote the scriptures also instructs you. all you need is the bible
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV

You don't need commentary. God will give you what you can handle as you read it. Meaning a cursory read through will most likely draw out major contrasts between your version of God and the God of the bible/you will want to point out contradictions as you see them. This is seeking God. take those contradictions to me or one like me and pray "dear god help me figure out the truth amen" till you find something that jives.