(January 10, 2019 at 7:59 am)Brian37 Wrote:(January 10, 2019 at 3:56 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Not sure what this has to do with my question, but okay.
There's no dispute that the scientific method can be used to ascertain bits of knowledge about things.
Care to answer my question now? If not, good enough,
Nope, not playing your game. You want to go "AH AH, you don't know anything, so my sky wizard is real."
I was born at night, just not last night. There are 7 billion humans living on this planet, with 10s of thousands of different religions and sub sects of each. Our species is far older than any written religion, or nation. Our planet is 4 billion years old. Our universe is 13.8 billion years old. There is no sky wizard doing any of this, not yours, not any. Our species will go extinct eventually just like 99% of prior life that existed, and eventually our planet and sun will die, and there will be no record of human's existence or their mythologies, which are really nothing more than projections of their own desires.
We have as a species lived of our current form, of 200,000 years most of that in ignorance, and only around 10,000 years ago did we start writing things down. Now that seems to me a huge waste of time to wait most of that 13.8 billion years, much less 4 billion years, if humans are some special pet for a sky hero to wait most of that time, and even of the 10,000 years most of that in scientific ignorance and still religious tribalism and war. Seems like a pretty shitty way to run a factory if you are all powerful to let your factory workers live like that for so long.
Most humans buy the religions of their parents long before they can formulate adult critical thinking skills. There are on average 50 to 60 million deaths worldwide per year, from everything humans die from. We die in child birth, we die from famine, disease, natural disaster, crime and war. That is an average of half a billion in 10 years and 1 billion deaths every 20 years. Again, seems like a ton of waste to me if God claims he loves us and wants us to be safe and claims he can protect us. What would this alleged sky hero need with 10s of millions, much less billions of friends in a cosmic after party your alleged exists?
And do you really think you are the only apologist of the only religion that tries to debate science? Hate to burst your bubble, but every religion has followers whom, either try to argue their holy writings, or try to attack science, or try to get science to point to their club.
http://thecenterforappliedjudaism.org/
https://www.islamreligion.com/category/3...oly-quran/
https://www.thoughtco.com/buddhism-and-science-449729
http://www.hinduismfacts.org/hindu-science/
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Every religion has follower apologists who love to claim their club is the seat of discovery and morality.
I say our species morality isn't in old mythology or holy writings or holy people. I say our ability to be cruel or compassionate, and our ability to make discoveries are in our genes, in our evolution and there is no divine power doing that, our species is doing that.
It isn't going to kill you to consider we are finite, and no super cognition is involved.
You're making assumptions. It wasn't a "gotcha" question.
I don't try to attack science. I have a dual degree in science (social sciences) and almost finished a triple but quite honestly I got sick of school. I didn't go to college right out of high school. Worked for several years, went to college and tried to balance it out with work, joined the military (Army), eventually came back home, then did the school thing again Additionally I've done peer-reviewed work and peer-review. Doesn't make me the best at understanding science, and it doesn't make me the worst. All-in-all, you could be ten times the scientist I am. Maybe you are, and if so, good enough.
As far as the times you mentioned, those are also assumptions. You are making claims that couldn't possibly be known. If you feel they can be known, and even by the scientific method, then I would love to hear it. To even begin to assert these things, it would have to account for many things have yet to be accounted for. But hey, I'm willing to listen.
