RE: What do moderates think Jesus died for?
January 10, 2019 at 10:14 am
(This post was last modified: January 10, 2019 at 10:16 am by Jehanne.)
(January 9, 2019 at 10:54 pm)tackattack Wrote:(January 9, 2019 at 9:47 pm)Jehanne Wrote: In my opinion, only atheistic materialists can presume the existence of free will; theists are trapped by fatalistic, divine foreknowledge, which led John Calvin to conclude that even some individuals who die in infancy are predestined to eternal Hell.
How am I trapped by fatalistic, divine foreknowledge?
I believe Coercion negates responsibility. I believe people sin willfully. I believe it is in their nature to sin and yet their desire can be to overcome that sinful nature. I don't see any of that as contradictory, but I'm open to refutation.
That omnipotent God could not know what it would take to lead a sinner to repentance?
(January 9, 2019 at 9:55 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:(January 9, 2019 at 9:47 pm)Jehanne Wrote: In my opinion, only atheistic materialists can presume the existence of free will; theists are trapped by fatalistic, divine foreknowledge, which led John Calvin to conclude that even some individuals who die in infancy are predestined to eternal Hell.
Well, you assume theists are also trapped by the need for rigor, accuracy, and internal consistency.
For them truth is what they really really want things to be, evidence is what they chose to label as evidence, and logic is what they assert as the connection between what they say is evidence to what they say is the inevitable conclusion.
People believe in God because of mental and emotional comforts and the social benefits that they derive from believing, the same reasons that people once believed in the existence of fairies.
