What do moderates think Jesus died for?

[Bucky Ball]

I never said there was a preternatural state of perfection. There was a preternatural state with volition living in a place of perfection. It chose sinfulness which continues till this day. Sinfulness doesn't separate God from us, because he can't be offended, it separates us from Him. You're entitled to your opinions that it is outdated, childish and non-sense.

It there was a "fall" then there was a state from which the "fall" happened. (Perhaps you should take Theology 101).
You have not one shred of evidence that "volition" ever lived in any different state than it does now, or that any change happened.
That is nothing but made up nonsense. It is FAR MORE than just my "opinion" You have to demonstrate there was a change.
And BTW, IF humans are somehow "saved" then why is there or was there ever, NO observed change in anyone's sinful state.
Human nature EVOLVED to be what it is, and never changed.
The Hebrews who wrote about the Garden, had no notion that there was a "fall" from grace. Christians made that up. It's not really a Biblical concept at all.
Actually if you read Genesis, you will find even that text does not say they "chose sinfulness". It's a LATER cultural interpretation of the garden myth, which was told in other cultures also, as that was the only explanation the ancients had for the world around themselves.

You're the second theist here I've run across who seems to think that an attempt to delegitimize the poster, ("that's nothing but your opinion") is a legitimate method of debate.
If you can't address the SUBJECT at hand, then you get to say nothing. Present the evidence for how you KNOW there ever was a different volitional state, or say nothing
Saying "it's just your opinion" is hardly adequate.