What do moderates think Jesus died for?

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How about belief in a creative order, a reality that posses objective moral values, a transcendent moral reality. That the wrong I perceive exists independently of myself and other such the yellow of my wife’s dress, or the existence of other minds.

Would this also fall into a belief in invisible donkeys, and fairies?

An yes, the old debunked argument from morality.

We know from Anthropology and History that human cultures have vastly different moral values.
Some cultures (including the Hebrews) sacrificed children, and thought that was a way to obtain the favor of the gods.

The morality in the Bible changed radically over time. There is no "objective" morality.

The wrong you perceive you LEARNED from growing up in your culture. It is why philosophers and those who study ethics ARGUE and disagree all the time about what is moral.
Yes, your cultural beliefs, examined are yours, and can be the same as belief in invisible donkeys and fairies.

You think honor killings prove the moral order ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
LOL

The question was whether such beliefs, beliefs in moral realism, are equivalent to beliefs in invisible donkeys, and fairies, not whether such beliefs are true.

The Christian position is that Jesus was sent for a very specific purpose, NOT to "just be human" in the world.

Which Christian position? What’s the position of Eastern Orthodox?

In reality this position differs among different Christian sects, even those considered orthodox, the view Catholics different than that of Calvinist, the view of Lutherans different than Eastern Orthodox. Herbert McCabe’s view different than John Piper’s.

McCabe is representative of the Catholic Church, unless Catholics want to denounce his view as anticatholic, his view stands as well, regardless of what you as an atheists thinks