RE: What do moderates think Jesus died for?
January 14, 2019 at 12:34 pm
(This post was last modified: January 14, 2019 at 1:00 pm by Acrobat.)
Quote:Bucky Ball You do whatever you like, dear. LOL. No Catholic (and no Christian of any stripe) would say that the reason for the Incarnation was nothing, but for Jesus to be human.
Strawman, Mccabe never claims the incarnation was nothing, but for Jesus to be human.
What he did say is Christ’s obedience consists in nothing else but being history, human.
Just to drive the point even further, lets quote the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
459 The Word became flesh to be our model of holiness: "Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me." "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me."74 On the mountain of the Transfiguration, the Father commands: "Listen to him!"75 Jesus is the model for the Beatitudes and the norm of the new law: "Love one another as I have loved you."76 This love implies an effective offering of oneself, after his example.77
460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
Quote:here was, from the point of view of God’s life, no such thing as a moment at which the eternal Son of God was not Jesus of Nazareth…. The eternal life of Jesus as such could not precede, follow or be simultaneous with his human life. There is no story of God ‘before’ the story of Jesus.”
The last sentence is preposterously false, according to RC theology.
Again quoting the catechism:
“The Church thus confesses that Jesus is inseparably true God and true man.
Everything that Christ is and does in this nature derives from "one of the Trinity". The Son of God therefore communicates to his humanity his own personal mode of existence in the Trinity. In his soul as in his body, Christ thus expresses humanly the divine ways of the Trinity”
Quote:“McCabe was suspended from his priestly duties - though the suspension was quickly lifted after intercession in Rome by Archbishop Cardinale, then the Apostolic Delegate - and lost his position as editor of New Blackfriars. He returned unrepentant to the helm of the journal in 1970, beginning his first leading article with "As I was saying when I was so oddly interrupted . . ." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1337953/Herbert-McCabe.html
Yes, the closest Mccabe ever came to being reprimanded for his views, is when he criticized the theologian Charles Davis for leaving the church, denouncing it as corrupt. Mccabe countered “of course the Church was corrupt but that this was no reason to leave it.” He was removed as editor of the New Blackfriars journal, but shortly thereafter reinstated. Not bad for a supposedly heretical catholic priest and theologian.
Judging that the Catholic church, never took a strong stance on any of Mccabe’s theological views, your claim that they were heretical from a catholic perspective, holds no real merit. Might as well accuse the Pope of being a heretical catholic while you’re at it as well.
Quote:I already told you, I'm not an atheist
Do you posses a belief that God exists?
If the answer is no, you’re an atheist.