@Drich
I will try one last time, but I get the feeling that you are straight out ignoring me. You aren't even trying to understand the simple math I laid down for you, despite my best efforts. I used the best analogies I had up my sleeve to make you understand a concept, but you just seem to have skipped it alltogether. You want to get down the hard path? Very well then:
1 atom of hydrogen contains: 1 proton, 1 electron
Deuterium is an isotope(a variant) of hydrogen which contains: 1 proton, 1 neutron, 1 electron
1 atom of helium contains: 2 protons, 2 neutrons, 2 electrons
1 molecule of deuterium, D2, contains: 2 protons, 2 neutrons, 2 electrons.
1 atom of helium and 1 molecule of deuterium contain the same identical particles in the same amounts. Are they the same? No, they are not. They have the same mass but different density, different chemical properties, they are just different. Where does this difference originate from? From how they are arranged.
- Deuterium has 2 nuclei containing 1 proton and 1 neutron each with 2 electron orbiting around them, like this:
![[Image: Comparison-Deuterium-Molecule.jpg]](https://www.quirkyscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Comparison-Deuterium-Molecule.jpg)
- Helium has 1 nucleus containing 2 protons and 2 neutrons with 2 electron orbiting around it, like this:
![[Image: Comparison-Helium-4.jpg]](https://www.quirkyscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Comparison-Helium-4.jpg)
Do you know how you can pass from Helium to deuterium? By giving it energy. Do you know how you can fuse two nuclei of helium to form 1 nucleus of Berillium (that, for the record, has twice the number of protons/neutrons of helium)? By giving it energy. You kept repeating that I didn't know the process, well here you are, this is how it works. You give things energy, and they change. This is how nuclear fission and fusion work.
Now, if you actually paid attention to my posts, you'd find these words spelled out in more general terms, because my intent was to pass you a simpler and more general idea, not nuclear physics. You don't remember? Here's a few of my old posts:
Do you know why I asked for this specific example? To play with matter at will? Because this is the ability I would expect from someone who claims to have created everything. If he indeed created everything and was all powerful and almighty, then I'd expect him to:
1) Be able to play with energy at will and arrange subatomic particles at will. Otherwise, why are we "created" the way we are? Why does everything follow a certain order, certain constant laws? Thermodynamically, entropy (the degree of disorder) is continuously increasing. The world is naturally getting more and more chaotic on its own. To be able to create and maintain such local order, you would expect this creator to be somewhat in a position of power to be able to decide these things.
2) If he can play with energy at will and he has so much energy to create countless galaxies, then performing a small scale fusion experiment in a lab by giving energy to sub-atomic particles out of nowhere and absorbing any energy released from the fusion should be a joke. If he wanted to go the hard way, he could even trigger a nuclear fusion and let it run wild inside a properly prepared reactor and a team of experts could stay there and monitor, register and contain the energy released from such an action and study it.
I had provided you a banal example to pass you an idea, such as that of turning air to gold. I tried to simplify the example to make you understand it more easily. I took out the energy transfer/release because I didn't want to complicate the thing further and being called out on it. And what did you do? You clinged to every possible detail of this experiment, over-complicated everything on your own, started talking about things you didn't know, convinced yourself of being right and of the fact you were lecturing me and then you locked me out of your mind. So here you are, I gave you the full version, are you satisfied now?. If your god can't replicate even a small % of what he claims, then he's a poser, a con, a joker, phony. If he's forced to obey the same laws he created and is restricted by them as much as we are, then he's just a malfunctioning, imperfect, broken god.
If not even this can reach you, then you are lost.
I will try one last time, but I get the feeling that you are straight out ignoring me. You aren't even trying to understand the simple math I laid down for you, despite my best efforts. I used the best analogies I had up my sleeve to make you understand a concept, but you just seem to have skipped it alltogether. You want to get down the hard path? Very well then:
1 atom of hydrogen contains: 1 proton, 1 electron
Deuterium is an isotope(a variant) of hydrogen which contains: 1 proton, 1 neutron, 1 electron
1 atom of helium contains: 2 protons, 2 neutrons, 2 electrons
1 molecule of deuterium, D2, contains: 2 protons, 2 neutrons, 2 electrons.
1 atom of helium and 1 molecule of deuterium contain the same identical particles in the same amounts. Are they the same? No, they are not. They have the same mass but different density, different chemical properties, they are just different. Where does this difference originate from? From how they are arranged.
- Deuterium has 2 nuclei containing 1 proton and 1 neutron each with 2 electron orbiting around them, like this:
- Helium has 1 nucleus containing 2 protons and 2 neutrons with 2 electron orbiting around it, like this:
Do you know how you can pass from Helium to deuterium? By giving it energy. Do you know how you can fuse two nuclei of helium to form 1 nucleus of Berillium (that, for the record, has twice the number of protons/neutrons of helium)? By giving it energy. You kept repeating that I didn't know the process, well here you are, this is how it works. You give things energy, and they change. This is how nuclear fission and fusion work.
Now, if you actually paid attention to my posts, you'd find these words spelled out in more general terms, because my intent was to pass you a simpler and more general idea, not nuclear physics. You don't remember? Here's a few of my old posts:
Quote:Basically play by his own rules. If he created everything, if he was the source of the big bang, then it shouldn't be so difficult to replicate a small scale big bang experiment. It shouldn't be so fantasy to transform matter into energy and viceversa. I mean, we can already do that to a certain extent, roughly, but we don't have that much precision. If he can show me that he can manipulate matter at will, manually pick electrons and protons and displace them between atoms, basically if he can show me that he's a "reality surgeon", that he's able to create other realities and also destroy them, then I will acknowledge that he's god. If he can show me that he can transform air into organic matter, make it live and die in front of me, and turn it into a stone, I'll believe he's god. If he can show me that he cuts his own arm or takes out his own heart, lets me touch it and feel it pumping, and then place everything back in his body, I'll believe him. Or well, if anything, I'll at least acknowledge the existence of such a powerful being that I would consider God. It's the same as asking your fellow scientist to replicate the results of his research. Also, he supposedly did something similar already with one of his disciples through the stigmata of Christ but I wasn't there at the time. Can't he do it once more for me?
Quote:2) A mol of air is about 25L at room temperature and corresponds to circa 29g. Taking out of the picture energy release from the new bonding/unbonding, 25L of air will produce circa 29g of gold. For the record, 25L is about 1/3 of your volume. If God locally created a vacuum to remove those 25L, the nearby air would instantly be pulled back in to re-equilibrate the system. 10 square miles of air? You'd create a city of gold. You don't even know what you are talking about. Secondly, he can perform this trick in our institute, where we have the machines to reveal the emissions of electromagnetic waves or to inspect a material crystalline nature. If you want I can lay down a precise plan on how to test mr God powers, but that wouldn't satisfy you either because we have to look for God on "his terms".
Do you know why I asked for this specific example? To play with matter at will? Because this is the ability I would expect from someone who claims to have created everything. If he indeed created everything and was all powerful and almighty, then I'd expect him to:
1) Be able to play with energy at will and arrange subatomic particles at will. Otherwise, why are we "created" the way we are? Why does everything follow a certain order, certain constant laws? Thermodynamically, entropy (the degree of disorder) is continuously increasing. The world is naturally getting more and more chaotic on its own. To be able to create and maintain such local order, you would expect this creator to be somewhat in a position of power to be able to decide these things.
2) If he can play with energy at will and he has so much energy to create countless galaxies, then performing a small scale fusion experiment in a lab by giving energy to sub-atomic particles out of nowhere and absorbing any energy released from the fusion should be a joke. If he wanted to go the hard way, he could even trigger a nuclear fusion and let it run wild inside a properly prepared reactor and a team of experts could stay there and monitor, register and contain the energy released from such an action and study it.
I had provided you a banal example to pass you an idea, such as that of turning air to gold. I tried to simplify the example to make you understand it more easily. I took out the energy transfer/release because I didn't want to complicate the thing further and being called out on it. And what did you do? You clinged to every possible detail of this experiment, over-complicated everything on your own, started talking about things you didn't know, convinced yourself of being right and of the fact you were lecturing me and then you locked me out of your mind. So here you are, I gave you the full version, are you satisfied now?. If your god can't replicate even a small % of what he claims, then he's a poser, a con, a joker, phony. If he's forced to obey the same laws he created and is restricted by them as much as we are, then he's just a malfunctioning, imperfect, broken god.
If not even this can reach you, then you are lost.
