(October 3, 2011 at 12:10 pm)frankiej Wrote: I'm sure if you pray then you are open to the idea of supernatural intervention of some kind....
You don't pray for natural events... You want someone extraordinary to happen. So, praying for someone to be cured is perfectly reasonable... If you are into that kind of thing, anyway.
Prayer is obviously bullshit. People should stop praying for people and be there to comfort and help someone instead.
Well, a supernatural invention would be nice. But I've prayed lots of times, and sometimes believed that it worked, because it looked like it did. But those were the cases when I had a very good exam after studying so hard, since I believed even then that God only helps those who help themselves.
But there is a saying in Turkish, "kabul olmayacak duaya amin demek", meaning, "saying amen to a prayer that won't come true".
Like there too, is a logical limit to the extent that prayer is supposed to work.
And that extent does not go to healing diseases, making it rain, and/or helping you to conceive children if you were unable to do so before.
But sadly, many people in my country go to folk-sorcerers, who allegedly perform some prayers from the Qur'an with various forms of magic and shit, and talk to djinnis to make things work, and hear news from familiars about a possibly cheating spouse.
I think we still couldn't get over the fact that animism is long dead.
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