RE: Is atheism a belief?
January 24, 2019 at 12:52 pm
(This post was last modified: January 24, 2019 at 12:53 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 24, 2019 at 12:31 pm)Agnostico Wrote:I agreed with a fact. People who don't believe in gods are atheists. There are religions without gods, filled with people who don't believe in gods.(January 24, 2019 at 10:30 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Yes, though it would be more accurate to sub belief in for worship. Mostly because there are people who do believe in gods, but don't worship them. You know, like most christians.
You agreed with me Bolgo... R u feeling well? LoL. I didn't say anything about Christians. Ur obsessed with them.
Quote:I think this is a fair definition of atheism, a set of ideologies based on the presumtion/belief/premise that some form of creator is not in play.That's because you're a nutter. Atheism is simple. It's not a set of ideologies, or an ideology itself. Do you believe in gods? No? Bingo, atheist.
Buddhasim, Confucianism, Taoism, Jainism, etc are the main ideological branches of atheism in eastern culture which trace back thousands of years.
Quote:In western culture but atheism is new. Its literally a non-identity atm. Its just a group of people who don't believe in a Deity.No, it's not...atheism isn't new anywhere.
Most of which are anti Christians who parrot arguments aimed at theists. The unicorn/fairy thing. Its a terrible analogy, even against theists.
Quote:Aside from that people have different views, definitions, theories and ideas on every other topic.Well, yeah...hence the theism in a-theism.
Western atheism is just a response to theism. Eastern atheism is much deeper than that.
Quote:Western atheism has much to learn from the Asians.Okay? IDK what you mean here but it;s actually fairly common for atheists to be familiar with things like buddhism.
Quote:In time, over centuries, if the west survives the decline of our economy and civilization, they will be able to learn from these errors and create their own doctrine aimed at rebuilding western civilization where the importance of family will again become priority. Thats my opinion anyway.Family seems to be a serious priority for us now?
So its a "quasi ideology". I like the term "techno religion" used by Harari describing a religion without a God or afterlife.
Quote:l stumbled onto this website which is pretty cool and found this defintition of Agnosticism which defines my view of God.You know that's not what that term means, right?
Some people say that Agnosticism doesn't really exist which is incorrect.
http://www.humanreligions.info/agnosticism.html
"Agnosticism is the belief that (1) God, if it exist, is by nature unknowable ("strong agnosticism"), or, (2) that the that the induvidual being asked cannot conclude if God exists or not for lack of good evidence one way or another. Some agnostics sit in an assumed position; agnostic theists assume that God exists (a matter of faith) but also know that they don't have good evidence for this position, and, agnostic atheists assume that God does not exist but cannot prove their position. Pure agnostics do not accept either assumption."
The burden of proof falls on the person being asked from my agnostic position. To say that theists can't produce the evidence therefore its not true is an appeal to ignorance fallacy.
(appeal to ignorance)
Quote:The confusion arises when ur in ur thought space, postulating on theories. In here u don't have many options. Two of those opions is to assume a God or not.Sucks, I guess? What did the mean atheists lie to you about?
On completiton of this thought process one forms his belief/disbelief/theory/thought/idea/ whatever u wish to call it.
Knowledge however is way beyond that. I cannot accept either assumption. Im pure agnostic. Lied to by both theists and atheists in my life I trust neither now.
When I postulate I find small bits of evidence for both, though admittedly the God theory ranks low on my list.
And thats my position on God.
(no need to ask about the other guys, I assume their mouths were moving, lol)
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