If it wasn't for religion

[GrandizerII]

You believe in some [supernatural] God, no? Otherwise, what the hell have you been arguing for all this time?

Whatever you might mean by supernatural or God, is likely very different than what I mean. As result i hardly ever feel the need or necessity to argue for either.

Yeah, let's be vague so as to promote a proper discussion here ...

Yes, we do need to resolve the issue I'm pointing out here, because I'm still not seeing the logical advantage theism has over atheism when it comes to objective morality.

The advantage is between those who believe that reality posses moral aims and intrinsic  moral purpose,  like MLK, and those that don’t.

What do you mean exactly by "reality possesses moral aims and intrinsic moral purpose"? And how do you know that's what MLK believed?

I just want to be clear here on what you're really saying because something tells me you're misrepresenting what theists generally believe and what atheists generally believe.

Nearly all theist hold to such a view of reality, while most atheists deny it, regardless if they understand the relationship between this aspect they’re denying and their atheism.

I'm not convinced that theists generally hold to the view you speak of. At least not when we're referring to a reality that is separate or independent of God.

My understanding is that theists generally believe all things to do with morality is connected to a god in some way. Reality (at least the reality that is independent of God) is not sufficient for objective morality, according to your typical theist.

How about you answer this question for me:

Why ought we not kill?

If you don't need to invoke a god to answer this question, then no need for any god.

I don’t need to evoke the name God at all. Reality tells us we ought not kill.

Then perhaps the logical conclusion here is that God is not needed to explain morality.

I’m merely disagreeing with those that suggests it tells us no such thing, that reality possess no moral properties, no intrinsic moral values, etc...

It really depends on what you mean by "possess". Morality does not exist in the Platonic sense, methinks. So reality does not possess "the stuff of morality", rather rational beings make inferences on morality based on basic moral intuitions and/or observations made within this reality.

But even if you believed reality does possess "the stuff of morality", this has nothing to do with any supernatural god. Unless you consider reality itself God, in which case you're being misleading. You are certainly free to view this reality as God (that's your intuition after all), but if so, you can't then make disingenuous arguments for theism based on equivocating and such.