(January 29, 2019 at 12:22 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Yeah, let's be vague so as to promote a proper discussion here ...
No we can have a proper discussion without mentioning God or the supernatural, since whatever you mean by these terms, is something that can be separated from the question of reality possessing moral stuff.
Quote:But even if you believed reality does possess "the stuff of morality", this has nothing to do with any supernatural god. Unless you consider reality itself God, in which case you're being misleading. You are certainly free to view this reality as God (that's your intuition after all), but if so, you can't then make disingenuous arguments for theism based on equivocating and such.
Whether or not you understand the relationship between theism and a reality that posses “the stuff of morality”, between God and any teleological view of reality, is of no concern to me. It’s built on an ignorance of theism, that I have no interest in resolving for you.
As far as you ought to be concerned, I’m just a person who believes reality posses “the stuff of morality”. And you and other atheists here don’t.
Quote:Morality does not exist in the Platonic sense, methinks.
No it’s posses it in the platonic sense, so you thinks wrongly.
The wrongness of the holocaust is as objectively true, as 1+1=2. Someone who claims it’s not wrong, would be akin to someone claiming the earth is flat.
The goodness and wrongness of things exists just as real as the color of my wife’s dress, or the cup on my table. Not just in our minds, but in reality itself. In fact it perhaps even more real than I can say of you.
When we recognize the wrongness of torturing babies just for fun, we’re not recognizing some subjective biological sensation, or something constructed by our societies and culture, but something that is true independent of these things.
You may deny such a reality, but I’m inclined to see you as a solipsists, or a person who believes truth is subjective. In fact any argument you have against it, can easily to be use to make the case for the latter as well.
