(January 29, 2019 at 6:29 pm)Grandizer Wrote: What does this have to do with whether or not objective morality exists in the Platonic sense? Or do you mistakenly equate "objective" to "Platonic"?
You do realize that moral platonism, is another name for moral realism? Morality existing in a platonic sense would be an objective sense.
Quote:Quote:The goodness and wrongness of things exists just as real as the color of my wife’s dress, or the cup on my table. Not just in our minds, but in reality itself. In fact it perhaps even more real than I can say of you.
That's your view, which does not necessarily reflect what reality is about.
No it reflects what reality is about. Just like reality reflects the existence of other minds outside of my own, or objective truths, etc.. It's only your deluded version of reality that negates this, you're the solipsist, the reality you sell is akin to what they sell.
Quote:Sure, but many atheists have no problem agreeing with this. So why are you trying to make this an atheism vs. theism thing when it's really not?
Yet, here you are, arguing that goodness and wrongness don't exist in reality, just in our minds alone, etc.. Yet it seems that only atheists tend to ever suggest such a reality, empty of "the stuff of morality". If you're a moral subjectivist, a moral nihilist, you're far more likely to be an atheist than a theist. Maybe you just think this is just a coincidence, or perhaps there is a relationship between atheism and a disbelief in a reality that possess "the stuff of morality".
Quote:I don't deny a reality in which objective morality may be true.
So you don't deny the reality possess "the stuff of morality"?