If it wasn't for religion

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Perhaps because you keep contradicting yourself, and refuting your own previous suggestions:

Let see:


ME: “Reality possess “the stuff of morality”, which our minds can perceive, but exists independently of them, exists objectively.”


You: Nope. Goodness and badness are not "stuff" floating around out there.


You just now: Yep, moral goodness and badness exist independently of our minds.

Here's a good example dear readers, why I accuse atheists views of morality of being contradictory and self-refuting.

It may be a clear example of why you make the accusation..but it's just as clear an example of that accusation being baseless.

That's kindof the problem, lol?  No, I don't think that morality is a stuff out there floating around and settling on shit, and I also think that goodness and badness exist independent of our minds....and?  What about those two statements do you think is contradictory or self refuting?

Who said anything about goodness and badness floating around out there? What I said was that this exists independent of our minds.

And you responded with a "Nope".

And then changed it to a "Yep."