How to discuss religion with believers?

[Drich]

So you perfer the muslim god of 9-11-01? (and the last 20 years of gulf war)

what about david koresh as god?

these are so much better to you so as to disparage the God of the bible?

seriously were you not alive durning waco? did you not know he was suppoes to be Jesus' 2nd comming? do you know nothing of the taliban or isis? is this the god you would embrace?

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I'm an atheist, Drich, lol.  The question of what gods I would prefer is a non-starter.

BIG pic sport! not talking about you I'm speaking of those who worship god. more over those who (for the lack of a better term) worship the god of mainstream Christianity found in the bible. would you rather 1/2 the world's population see you as the Taliban sees you? would you rather 1/2 the planet's population see you as David koeshians saw everyone outside the compound, and were armed to the teeth? No, well again that is why we have this book because it describes the God of the bible. if one wishes to worship the god of the bible then he can not vary from the bible's promises and descriptions.

Now how we confirm there is a god that aligns itself with the bible we have discussed adnausium.

 Hell, it's not like I'd "embrace" any of these gods even if they existed - I'm pretty sure I've shared my mind with you on this before?  

here's the thing.. every religious movement has something that powers it. whether it be a man and when the man dies so too does the religion/koresh being an example of that. Soceity also takes the role of god, but again when soceity fails so too does the religion the egyptians the greeks and romans are great examples of that. then comes the more carry aspect of religion as God is not the only supernatural deity around which is why again we must stick with the god of the bible lest we be fooled by satan or one of his guys. when satan supports a religion it leaves fire sin and misery in it's wake. but it also provides the signs and wonders some need.

You're just confirming my comments with each of these posts, though.   It's not like it would matter what gods you would prefer either.

sure it does. there are several forms of God to choose from. you got the god of islam the god of extreme islam (which btw is the same guy even if most will not admit it) the god of the jews, the hundreds of gods of the hindu the generations of ancestors of the shinto and the God of the bible. each promising different things.

  If david koresh actually were a god, then david koresh would be a god..

David koresh claim to be Christ incarnate. meaning Jesus Christ in his second coming. for the 50 or so people he had in his compound he was. again there are gods/not real to various degrees of fail, and there is the God of the bible. who has full filled his promises to those who seek him.

.but clearly you'd still be screaming about your magic book in that event.  Similarly, that you prefer the magic book to some other existent god doesn't alter the fact that the magic book has been thoroughly discredited.  Finally, if there were no god (spoiler alert, there isn't) you'd still prefer your magic book.  

you guys say the bible is discredited all the time and may even point to some atheist youtube hero, but in 20+ years of doing this the only thing that comes close was the annodated bible. which within 6 months there was a christian version that refuted every single point the annotadated bible made, call the annodated bible answered i believe. line by line verse by verse chapter by chapter book by book every single objection made was explained away or corrected in translation. No other atheist work has ever has even tried to take on the whole bible. Now i do know some like dawson or carrier like to point out what they see as a contradiction, but I have never seen one of those points hold up to scrutiny. But let's say one or even the dozen or so I have seen where all right.. how does that make the whole collection of books wrong? that is a huge leap of faith! remember reader's digest? it was a small weekly or month publication my grandparents got. in it was a 12 or so short stories or clips from larger novels to give on a sample of what is being published. The bible works the same way. yes it is bound under one cover and has one title (which means book of books) but let's say you are starting out and you can not make a time line jive in your head.. does that mean everything else is wrong? does that mean the time line itself is wrong? all it means is there is information we are not privy too. The expectation that the bible is a formal text book whether that book be about history or science is false. The bible is a map that leads us to God. one we have found and vetted what we find with the bible.. the bible is scarcely needed after that.

For example I only use the bible to verify what God directly gives me now. MEaning I'll ask a question God gives me a direction and if I am not 100% sure about this answer I will look it up to see if the narrative fits. best example is my reading of genesis that assimilates evolution. I must of read the first 5 chapters of genesis 20 times hitting it from different angles.

As a side note, pursuant to the above....can we get confirmation from you that the jewish god, the various christian gods, and the islamic god are not..in fact, the same god?

yes if you are willing to read these holy books or google what I have to say. Remember the term God of the bible as it ties christianity to judaism but excludes islam.

In the bible the jews have three words they use to reference God.
El-ohim which is a generic term like the word God in our language. it often refers to God the Father but can be used to describe a false god like the god of thunder.
yhwh (or the word or the word the means god or the word of god.) the jews took out the vowels so the name could not be spoken, but refered to as 'the word' we filled in those possible vowels and the best possible name would be yahweh or transliterated jehovah this to the jews again is the literal name of God. In john 1:1 John says the word (yhwh) was with El-him/Father God and the word was God.. rather than me do this from memory:
1 Before the world began, the Word[a] was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was there with God in the beginning. 3 Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him. 4 In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world. 5 The light[b] shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not defeated[c] it.

6 There was a man named John, who was sent by God. 7 He came to tell people about the light. Through him all people could hear about the light and believe. 8 John was not the light. But he came to tell people about the light. 9 The true light was coming into the world. This is the true light that gives light to all people.

10 The Word was already in the world. The world was made through him, but the world did not know him. 11 He came to the world that was his own. And his own people did not accept him. 12 But some people did accept him. They believed in him, and he gave them the right to become children of God. 13 They became God’s children, but not in the way babies are usually born. It was not because of any human desire or plan. They were born from God himself.

14 The Word became a man and lived among us. We saw his divine greatness—the greatness that belongs to the only Son of the Father. The Word was full of grace and truth. 15 John told people about him. He said loudly, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘The one who is coming after me is greater than I am, because he was living before I was even born.’”

16 Yes, the Word was full of grace and truth, and from him we all received one blessing after another.[d] 17 That is, the law was given to us through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God. The only Son is the one who has shown us what God is like. He is himself God and is very close to the Father.[e]

the long and short of this is the word... yahwh is Jesus. he was there from the beginning meaning genesis 1:1. In fact if you read genesis 1:1 you will see the father doing the 7 day creation and at the same time genesis 2 reports that yhwh/jesus is doing everything gensis 2 records.

the third word for God is Adoni or the literal translation my lord. but it does not directly refer to elohim or yhwh, as elohim is recorded in paslms speaking to adoni.

Three words from a jewish perspective all means one God/being. From a christian perspective we have the Father Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit in these three titles/names.

In islam there is only Allah/elohim. From gen 2 forward the hebrews recognise yhwh, so basically islam is saying anything after gen 2 is wrong/not the same God.

*Waco.  I was, yeah.  A few years later I got a job breaching buildings in much the same manner, lol. Those Davidians really could have used some training.

If I remember right those Dravidians repelled the dynamic entry, killed all but one or two of the entry team, which had the feds send in a literal tank to know down 1/2 a building which the davidians set fire to denying the feds any access to arrests intellegence gathering or even wepons or seasures of any kind. plus in their minds the went to heaven as the burned.. wonder if they figured out why they are still burning