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How to discuss religion with believers?
RE: How to discuss religion with believers?
(February 6, 2019 at 8:39 pm)Dr H Wrote:
(January 30, 2019 at 11:38 pm)snowtracks Wrote: "In order to believe in God"  - There never has been an atheist, or ever will be. In Romans 1, Apostle Paul stated there are no atheists --- 18  “who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19  For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them".   There are those who say there is no God or show me the evidence (creation itself is one of the pieces of evidence). Did anyone think that the 'old nature' which is at enmity with God, would go away quietly?  They resist God's moral authority by suppressing the truth. It's a mistake, to try to convince anyone in the existence of God since they already know that. 

Like the poet said: truth is like dust, just can’t get rid of that stuff; it just keeps hanging around.

Paul is addressing ungodliness.  Atheism is nongodliness.nongodliness' - Haven't ever come across that before, but moving right along... 
Nongodliness - Haven't seen this before, perhaps made-up, but moving right along.

Well, here are the verses: Romans 1:18-19   18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.   19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 

And then, creation itself is the evidence: vs 20 - For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Without scripture, it would be concluded atheists actually believe what they are saying about God's existence.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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