On the subject of Hell and Salvation

[possibletarian]

MilesAbbott, again, your faith is not a reliable means to knowledge. You can have your faith, but you can't use that to argue that you know anything and you can't, if you really did care to have an honest discussion with atheists, presuppose the truth of statements that we naturally do not agree with. If you want to talk about God existing, God hating sin, us being sinners, and so on, you have to reason your way to these statements when discoursing with atheists; you can't just simply assert them as true.

^This

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 Great post. Also really like the name.  

Although you are running rings around what's his name, he'll never admit. it   The dude doesn't even understand the most basic thing about logic; IE In itself, logic is insufficient to prove anything.   Truth may  be claimed from a logical inference, IF AND ONLY IF the premise is true.

Great job, but I lack your patience. Reading this thread has only reinforced my decision not to engage with apologists. I'm weak, I would end up saying some very unkind things and get myself banned.


PS: As it turns out,  it is beginning to look as if something can indeed come from nothing.   Physicists been aware of this for sometime .   The claim  nothing can come from nothing  may no longer be made because it is "self evident".  Christianity is antithetical to science because it rejects any science which contradicts dogma.

The clip below  features Lawrence Krauss, an actual scientist, explaining how something can come from nothing.v. This is meant to perhaps give you some ammo, not in anyway  to patronise or  criticise you.

Lawrence Krauss has a large Wiki entry (yes he may have been naughty, but that does not change his basic credentials)

Lawrence Maxwell Krauss (born 1954) is an American-Canadian theoretical physicist and cosmologist who is a professor in the School of Earth and Space Exploration at Arizona State University and a former professor at Yale University and Case Western Reserve University. He founded ASU's Origins Project to investigate fundamental questions about the universe and served as its director until July 2018.[2] In response to allegations about sexual misconduct by Krauss, ASU conducted an investigation. Having determined that Krauss had violated university policy, they removed him from his position.[3][4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_M._Krauss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46sKeycH3bE

Thanks there

Yes i saw a BBC documentary on this subject, not sure i understood it all but i think the gist of it is that what we call nothing does not really mean 'no thing at all'' for want of a better explanation. That there is no real reason to believe that there was ever 'no thing at all' .

And thanks for you kind comments