On the subject of Hell and Salvation

[Godscreated]

You assume much more than you actually know or understand, i spent several hours tonight watching science shows on the origin of the universe and guess what not one scientist on the show could admit that the big bang actually happened. I engage in quite a bit of science and listen to the arguments so that I can keep up at least some with what is continually being revamped with plenty of fudge factors as to how the universe was formed and works and also about evolution. You see I'm not afraid of the lies people bring themselves to believe so they can deny God, I know He exists because I know Him through a personal relationship and thus only need to see what the opposition is up to and help those who are being deceived by the lies of today's science. There are many wonderful things happening through good science and that is where today's scientist need to keep things, "in the real world of truth."

GC

We know the big bang happened because the traces are all around us to this day.

The evidence is overwhelming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtrYF_hxxUM

 There is no proof of a big bang and no one was around when the universe was created to say there was a big bang. I was watching a science show tonight about dark matter and dark energy and dark energy was defined as scientists ignorance, that's the best definition I've heard yet and that was by secular scientist. As I watched it became quite obvious that dark matter and dark energy are plug in scenario to make what scientist want to believe fit the belief, there is no real science to dark matter or energy. They even admitted that the universe could have formed and developed without either, just so they can have a back-up plan. Maybe you need to watch the Science channel and learn some things, you tube is not really such a place for such complicated things.

GC

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Moses penned the first five books, that was more than a thousand years before the birth of Christ Jesus. Duration? God has been in control of His plan from before the beginning of time, God has always been and by the way they are not claims they are spiritual facts for those who want what God is offering. For those who do not want what God is offering they are confusing and out of reach, why should God make sense out of what He has planned to those who will reject Him.

GC

*bold mine*

Let's put aside the gobshyte that went before and concentrate on the bold. This is exactly the excuse religionists, creeds, crackpots, conspiracy theorist of all ilks and kinds, they all more or less claim the same.  It's an open license for the gullible to allow themselves to be deceived fully.

 It's apparent you are not concentrating on the bold part of my statement. It is simple truth either you desire what God has for you or you do not, there are no other options. I have never desired to be deceived nor will I ever, I have always been a facts hunter and one fact I have just discovered, you do not care to learn nor find truth, must be a very confusing life you live.

GC

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It's a silly statement coming from a christian, anyway, who asserts that god is never out of reach even if someone doesn't currently want what he's selling.  Just as silly is the idea that christian theology is confusing.  I understand it fine.  It's not confusing, just idiotic. 

That's why I'm not interested in what god is selling, even if god's existed and were actually selling that, which they aren't, lol.   It's just people saying idiotic shit.  Honestly, it would be even more hilarious if gods really did exist and really were trolling the faithful by telling them to believe in shit that never happened.  "God inspired".....?  Yeah, sure..and the sun might inspire me to write a poem, too...that doesn't mean that the sun is vouching for the accuracy of that poems contents.  People who say things like that should use their god-given brains more often.

It's a weasel word that allows the faithful not to be seen or heard saying the silly thing..the thing that they also know to be silly..even though they functionally or literally believe it.  That a gods cosmic hand reached down with a divine pen and authored a magic book.

Your statement is contradictory from beginning to end and full of crap. God is always available to those who desire to know Him. God has said that he will not always listen to the insincere and He will not always strive with men. There's your truth from scripture.

GC

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Wrong nearly all denominations see the Bible as God inspired and complete as it is. Yes there are many books contained within the greater book it is an example of what I said before, God inspired.


God was overseeing the whole process, not only were the writers God inspired so were those who God used to put together the greater book. God wouldn't have done one without the other, this is only logical even on a human level. The people who are trying to incorporate different books into the Bible are working unaided by God and for their own selfish reasons, they are not interested in what God wants.  


Moses penned the first five books, that was more than a thousand years before the birth of Christ Jesus. Duration? God has been in control of His plan from before the beginning of time, God has always been and by the way they are not claims they are spiritual facts for those who want what God is offering. For those who do not want what God is offering they are confusing and out of reach, why should God make sense out of what He has planned to those who will reject Him.

GC

Nearly all denominations agree on what  constituts a "proper" bible, yes? Please explain the big table with all those red and green squares.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon

I'm glad you agree with me on the Bible, but for the table I have no idea what you are speaking of.

Now if god agrees and has inspied all those denominatons who do not agree with ech other....well, do you have an explanation for mutually exclusive views on teh biblical canon, all being correct and all being inspired by god?   

Who said God inspire all the denominations, I know you are thinking of some that most denominations consider cults and they are and therefore would never be inspired by God. Those who believe the Bible should be an open cannon want to believe things about god that are not true. No of those books some want to see as part of the Bible stand up to the scrutiny of the Bible we have now. They are contradictory to the Bible and thus can not be valid, God would never inspire contradictory books.

Moses, did......wait....before he does anything he has to exist. Please demonstrate he existed.   The rest of your rambling is ignored, i am not wasting my time with bullshit. You want to come here and make wild claims about lots of BS, fine, demonstrate any of your nonsense is only remotely true. This is not a church where you are preacching to poor suckers down below and they swallow all your BS, line, hook, and sinker.

 I do not have to prove Moses lived, the Bible tells us he did. Just as past writings in other culture say certain people lived and we have no proof outside of those particular writings. 
You can ignore anything I write, just as I do not take what you say seriously because I know it's not truth. What do you mean I come here, I've been here ten times longer than you have, I've watched many come and go as a matter of fact I'm one of the oldest members still posting, I've argued more positions than you will ever purpose. Demonstration,archaeologist that search in the Middle East use the Bible to help guide them in there searches. Let mean inform you that my previous pastor was a nuclear engineer and his son has followed in that profession, his son was asked to come to the Fucushima  nuclear disaster and conferences in Washington D.C. so you see we are not suckers nor shallow we have many bright minds in our midst and most of them are teachers of one thing or another.

GC

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Moses penned the first five books, that was more than a thousand years before the birth of Christ Jesus.

GC, you again demonstrate that you don't know shit about the Bible. I guess I could say you embarrass yourself, but you are already a joke, so... Imagine Moses writing this Deuteronomy 34:5 And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said. He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is.

Or, according to GC, Moses also wrote this: Numbers 12:3 Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.

Really, GC, read the Bible before pretending to be an expert on it.

 God could have foretold Moses death to him and what would happen, but more than likely Joshua wrote those words. As for Moses writing about who he was I see no problem with that. You do the same here with Christians but there is a difference Moses tells the truth. By the way Moses knew he wasn't going to the Promise Land and that he would die right where he stood looking upon the place he was forbidden to enter. Your pitiful attempt at using two verses out of five books shows how little intelligence you actually have, you should be ashamed of yourself. I'm finished with your nonsense, post replies if you wish they will go unanswered. fair warning.

GC