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Evolution and Christianity and Salvation
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RE: Evolution and Christianity and Salvation
(February 20, 2019 at 11:06 am)pocaracas Wrote: Why indeed...?
Why was the church built by someone who never had any contact with the source material?...
what a misinformed question. What was Christ's ministry? miracles healing and prepping to be the atonement for all of man's sin. Now is that our responsibility as followers of Christ? did the disciples follow this path? They follow christ to the garden, but when they started handing out beatings and crosses all but john scattered... meaning source material that was available was not the foundation of the church. Meaning the church was to take a different path than christ. Jesus Identified this foundation as being confession that he was the son of God. something the disciples were forbidden to teach while he was alive.

Quote:It is a very poorly told story and concocted from a very thin basis on reality.
most of the time the truth is a poorly concocted story.
Quote:I could tell you about the road to Damascus, going through Qumran, where Paul, somehow, got his vision or epiphany, or whatever...
I could tell you that history is written by the victors...
preaching to the choir sport, something happened something changes he was known to be a murder/christian inquisitor.


Quote:But you don't care about reality and human psychology, so why should I waste my time with you?
said the douche who dumped a 16 paragraph manifesto on everything else you could speak on without a google search. meaning if you knew more about psychology as evidenced by everything else you have said here you would most certainly word dump a lot load of spam onto what you have already said. Thankfully you don't know enough about the subject to go over it... you just know enough to cite it is the reason Paul is in charge... That's ok when ever you do google it I have several arguements already typed up (I've had this discussion a few dozen times with people much smarter than you are in the last 10 to 15 years already)

(February 13, 2019 at 1:09 pm)Drich Wrote: Peter's vision of the church was to have everyone convert to judaism first meaning the men had to be circumcized first! Paul and peter in the scripture have it out several times over this issue and peter conceeds his way is wrong yet he continues to minister to the messianic jews and does little in the way of contributing to the gentile church which is what the church is or has been since the 3rd century.. That was Paul's church/the gentile church as peter's church was jewish converts only.
Quote:Isn't it curious how the man who was actually with the alleged son of god had a view so close to the pre-existing jewish?
because he did not understand te nature of the sacrifice as witnessed with almost all of his interactions with Christ resulting in Christ assigning him the diminuitive (nick name) petros/peter the unstable one.

John and james Sons of thunder! perter the supposed king of the church who failed in everything he did while Jesus was alive get called the first century aramaic equilivent of a douche bag.
Jesus Gave peter the humiliating name because he wanted to always be the first.

(February 13, 2019 at 1:09 pm)Drich Wrote: 2 let's break down this passage in the greek it actually starts in verse 13 of mat 16 (not 17)

Quote:I don't care about the Greek. Paul was from Asia Minor (today's Turkey), where he spoke his Greek.
But Peter and Jesus were from Israel, where they spoke Aramaic.
Don't show me a biased text from the victor. Show me the actual history in the original location. It doesn't exist, does it? Why would that be?!
What a f-ing idiot.. "i don't understand what greek is or why it is important so I like a dumb moron will just ignore it."

HEY STUPID Aramaic was not an official language of the empire it was a local or regional dialect much like ebonics or creole meaning there was no official written language. it varied from region to region.

yes there are aramaic texts but they are written phonetically aramaic had no universal set alphabet or grammar rules.. (again regional alphabet regional grammar which changes from state tot state region to region. It would be me like asking you to hard core creol and transscribe it.. the problem creole is a mixture of 3 different languages so anything you write will in part be in a native toungue like french but the english and south african bits will be in phonetic form which will differ from ear to ear. or you write in english and the other bits would be phenitically written.. So again no offical language.

Now this is in part the reason everything in written in koine greek because at that time that was the offical language outside of rome of the empire. because the empire span so many different regions. all paper work all official documents must been written and submitted in the greek. therefore Koine Greek despite your native toungue was all that was taught by the state.. Even The septuegent the oldest version of the OT (up to the dead sea scrolls discovery) was written in greek even though the OT was originally written in hebrew. Eg we had no hebrew copies of the OT older than the septuigent till 1947.

the problem with amalgamated languages like creole and aramaic made simple:




Do you get it now? to dismiss the greek is to dismiss you from this conversation as there was NOTHING WRITTEN IN ARAMAIC from that period.

Which again is why the authority here is Koine greek not 12th century "aramaic documents" So next time before you dismiss what you foolish do not understand Ask a question. I have been doing this a long long time with alot to share, and I am not so hard on people who do not come to me telling me what is important and what is not. 25+ years of this, my own console I will keep on the importance of the koine greek. there are 12th century writting the pope holds on too but again. they do their own thing apart from the bible.

(February 13, 2019 at 1:09 pm)Drich Wrote: Look back at history and we will find very little past the book of acts and the 2 books written with his name in them did peter contribute. while the church or every jesus Christ centered church (established by paul not peter/who also went on to write 2/3s of the New testament) established the church on the confession peter made.

Quote:You are aware that there was a gospel by Peter that the Church, established by Paul, ended up not including in the bible, right? Geeee, I wonder why?!!!
you mean the bible the church... compiled? just because it was attributed to peter does not mean it is cannon. By the words of Christ Peter was a goof not to be taken seriously all the time.

Quote:Human philosophical difference of opinion should have no bearing on the divine intent...
then you have no f-ing idea what you are talking about... We have two rule that are absolute in Christianity sport.. EVERY THING ELSE IS BASED ON PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCES!!!!

We are to love god with all of our being... now because we are all different that love manifests differently. If I can sing to sit in a borning lecture is not loving God with all of my ability. I then am in direct violation of one of only two laws governing the church. thus I would have a theological difference between me a guy who sings and men who study. Like wise if a man who studies as a means of worship is disturbed by alot of singing, then these are two incompatible philosophical differences. and on and on and on it goes dividing the church thousands of times till just about everyone can worship God with all of their being unabated!

God gave us or rather the jews rules for everything much like the catholic church is run.. that system of 'morality' failed over and over and over again. so why would God repeat what he did then with us? We live under the laws of atonement not morality. which means God forgives when we willfully sin. therefore God forgives that much more when we worship with all of our being and still fall short! and we all fall short.

Quote: But clearly you are trying to sell a story where human opinion rules, while pretending (and convincing yourself of it in the process) that the rules come from the divine.
Jesus was point blanked asked and he gave two rules. Love God with all your being and your neighbor as your self!

Quote:As I have been writing on this forum for years, it's all people. All made up by people, for people. Both to comfort and to control people. Made by well meaning people and also by ruthless people. Made by people who were convinced of the truthfulness of what they said and wrote, and by people who made it up.
If it were all made up by people, then would more of you get it? why are most of you still stuck in a works based morality? even outside the church you struggle to prove yourselves to be 'good people?' Jesus Himself is recorded as saying there are no 'good people' meaning that is not the standard in which we are judged.

In fact you know so little of biblical christianity It would seem you have never ever cracked a bible outside of the shadow of the catholic church. or at the very least never look at a passage without the lens of the church telling you what to think.

That is what kills me about people like you. you think you have it all figured out and yet rarely know the basics.

You don't even know enough of the bible to know it wasn't written in aramaic... yet here you are like an ignorant member of congress (AOC) telling senior staff how the government works.

Where does your arrogance come from? surly you researched nothing before you spoke. did you want to see how hard i would come dwn on you for trying to correct me with several lines of made up conjecture and bluster? did you thin you could bully my beliefs with the same bull shit you fed yourself with? as if my faith were so feeble.. I have over 10,000 posts here did you think you where the first to bring up this nonsense? or did you think this was your first time making these same broken argument to me? This line of objective thought died in the mid 90s sport.. No one question the greek any more because your peers know it is a standard beyond question for all matters concerning that period of time in those regions religious or not.

(February 20, 2019 at 11:45 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(February 20, 2019 at 10:46 am)Drich Wrote: There is no clear indication where the garden where Adam and eve lived.
 the exodus of the garden did not happen till about 4000 to 6000 bcdb (Before Christ, Douche bag) then allow time for cain and able to grow up to be men, cain to murder able and flee to the city of nod.. So the time line does line up.

who said anything about those cities being jewish? Adam and eve were not jewish... there were no jews till after the exodus of egypt some 2000 years later.

Wait, what? Was there just Adam and Eve or were there more people?
BOTH MORON this is why I need the cartoon

Chapter 1 God the father makes the world in 7 days, people made in his image on day 6 out side the garden with no soul. God the father is not recorded in maing the garden in chapter 1 or 2.

Chapter 2 starts on day three Jesus makes the garden everything in it and then makes adam... he is different than the man outside the garden on day 6 because jesus breaths a living soul into him on day 3.. makes eve all is complete in the garden by the end of day 4..

So the garden is a picture of completed earth 6000 years ago (which coinsides with the the fall of man/chapter 3) adam and eve were in the garden from day 4 forward till the fall of man in chapter 3 which again happened 6000 years ago.

Now between chapter 2 and chapter 3 there is no time line. meaning all of evolution ( a bazillion year) could have happened between those chapters while adam and eve lived and walked with God in the cool of the evening in the garden.. all the while outside the garden things where evolving just like science says


do you get it so far?

Then 6000 years ago chapter 3 happens adam and eve where kicked out they have two sons cain and able cain kills able and flees to the city of nod.. a city built by day 6 humans. 

Next adam and eve have seth and a bunch of other children.. they all grow up and get married... married to whom? remember adam the first man was made on day 3 in the garden his children marry the evolved mans children the man God made on day 6.

The difference? Adam has a soul as it was given to him in the garden by Christ. no such thing was given to day six man. The soul is passed from adam's children on down to noah and his family.

After the flood only those who have souls remain.

God kills in the flood all of the soul less monsters who were combining themselves with rouge demons.

(February 20, 2019 at 12:36 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: There wouldn't be any jews until 700bc-ish and exodus never happened..but, you know, facts.  Who needs facts.  Facts won't help us fix magic book, so fuck em, lol.

hey gae... who said they had to be jews???

think before you speak sport, and I won't have to correct you so much Naughty
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